Circular motion at end of string in horizontal plane

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In the discussion about a mass m undergoing uniform circular motion at the end of a string in a horizontal plane, the centripetal acceleration a is derived from the tension T in the string and the angle θ it makes with the vertical. The equations show that T cos θ equals mg and T sin θ equals mrω², leading to the relationship between sin θ, radius r, and angular velocity ω. A key point raised is the condition for the derived equation a = rω² = √(l²ω⁴ - g²), which implies a restriction that l²ω⁴ must be greater than or equal to g². The conversation clarifies that ω is not arbitrary and has a minimum value of ω = √(g/l), which is relevant for small angles in pendulum motion. The discussion concludes that the initial concerns about the equation were resolved, affirming its validity.
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Suppose a mass m suspended from a string of length l is undergoing uniform circular motion in a horizontal plane, with angular velocity ω. Calculate the centripetal acceleration a.

If T is the tension in the string, and θ the angle the string makes with the vertical, then the vertical and horizontal components are:

T cos θ = mg
T sin θ = mrω²

Dividing the latter by the former gives: \frac{\sin \theta}{\cos \theta}=\frac{\sin \theta}{\sqrt{1-\sin^{2}\theta}}=\frac{r \omega^{2}}{g}

If r is the radius of the circle, then \sin \theta=\frac{r}{l}, and substituting for sin θ gives:

\frac{\frac{r}{l}}{\sqrt{1-(\frac{r}{l})^{2}}}=\frac{r \omega^{2}}{g}

Rearranging gives a=r\omega^{2}=\sqrt{l^{2}\omega^{4}-g^2}}

Now, the thing that I find strange about this result is that, to be able to take the square root, we need l^{2}\omega^{4}\geq g^2, but physically there seems to be no such restriction, since l and ω are arbitrary and can be as small as one likes.

Where have I gone wrong?
 
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fouquoit said:
Rearranging gives a=r\omega^{2}=\sqrt{l^{2}\omega^{4}-g^2}}
How did you do this rearrangement?
 
The parameters may not be so arbritrary. If l is small then w may end up large because of the effect of gravity and the the relatively small radius r.
 
OK, thanks. I think I've got it. There is actually nothing wrong with the equation I derived.

As the prevois poster pointed out, ω is not arbitrary. In fact ω just has a lower limit given by \omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}, which corresponds to the frequency of a pendulum oscillating at low amplitude.
 
\omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{l\cos\theta}}

Which has the limit for small angles as you point out. Good stuff!
 
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