Circular motion in a magnetic field

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The problem involves a small mass ball with a negative charge hanging on an inelastic string in a uniform magnetic field. The objective is to determine the minimum velocity required for the ball to complete one revolution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy and the forces acting on the ball at the top of the circular path. There is an exploration of the relationship between the magnetic force and centripetal force, with attempts to express velocity in terms of other variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm the correctness of the approach taken to express velocity, while others raise questions about the substitution steps in the derived equations. There is an ongoing examination of the expressions for velocity and the implications of the calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are focused on ensuring the accuracy of their mathematical expressions without reaching a final conclusion.

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Homework Statement


Small mass ##m## ball has a negative charge ##q## and is hanging on an inelastic string which has a length of ##l##. What is the smallest velocity that one need to impart on this ball for it to make one revolution? There is also a uniform magnetic field ##B## as shown in the drawing.
Circular_motion.png


Homework Equations


##F=Bqv##
##F_c=\frac{mv^2}{r}##

The Attempt at a Solution


We need to find ##v_o##

Conservation of energy:
(1) ##\frac{mv_o^2}{2}=2mgl+\frac{mv^2}{2}##

The force ##F=Bqv## always points into the center of the circle. When the ball reaches the top of the circle, it will be affected by two forces ##F=Bqv## and ##mg##. Both point downwards, hence the sum of those forces must be the centripetal force.
(2) ##Bqv+mg=\frac{mv^2}{l}##

Now I can express v from this equation and place it into (1). Is that correct?
 
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kaspis245 said:

Homework Statement


Small mass ##m## ball has a negative charge ##q## and is hanging on an inelastic string which has a length of ##l##. What is the smallest velocity that one need to impart on this ball for it to make one revolution? There is also a uniform magnetic field ##B## as shown in the drawing.
Circular_motion.png


Homework Equations


##F=Bqv##
##F_c=\frac{mv^2}{r}##

The Attempt at a Solution


We need to find ##v_o##

Conservation of energy:
(1) ##\frac{mv_o^2}{2}=2mgl+\frac{mv^2}{2}##

The force ##F=Bqv## always points into the center of the circle. When the ball reaches the top of the circle, it will be affected by two forces ##F=Bqv## and ##mg##. Both point downwards, hence the sum of those forces must be the centripetal force.
(2) ##Bqv+mg=\frac{mv^2}{l}##

Now I can express v from this equation and place it into (1). Is that correct?
Yes. That looks to be correct.
 
Please check if my final answer is correct.

##mv^2-Bqlv-mgl=0##
##v=\frac{Bql+\sqrt{B^2q^2l^2+4m^2gl}}{2m}##

##v_o=\sqrt{4lg+\frac{Bql+\sqrt{B^2q^2l^2+4m^2gl}}{2m}}##
 
kaspis245 said:
Please check if my final answer is correct.

##mv^2-Bqlv-mgl=0##
##v=\frac{Bql+\sqrt{B^2q^2l^2+4m^2gl}}{2m}##
I think this expression for ##v## is correct.

##v_o=\sqrt{4lg+\frac{Bql+\sqrt{B^2q^2l^2+4m^2gl}}{2m}}##

Did you forget to square ##v## when you substituted for ##v## inside the radical?
 

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