Circular motion of ball and string question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a ball attached to a string undergoing circular motion. Participants explore concepts related to centripetal force, tension in the string, and the implications of Newton's laws of motion in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the tension in the string provides the centripetal force directed inward, while questioning the nature of any outward force.
  • Others clarify that the ball exerts an equal and opposite force on the string, suggesting that tension can be viewed as acting in both directions.
  • There is a discussion about the role of centrifugal force, with some noting it appears only in non-inertial frames of reference, while others emphasize the forces acting in an inertial frame.
  • One participant illustrates a scenario where releasing the string causes the ball to move in a straight line, highlighting the relationship between centripetal force and momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces in circular motion, particularly regarding the existence and interpretation of centrifugal force and the directionality of tension. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the frame of reference and the nature of forces are not fully explored, leading to potential misunderstandings about the application of Newton's laws in this scenario.

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Lets say we have a ball on a string and we spin it around. The ball will undergo circular motion. The tension in the string is what provides the centripetal force, directed inwards. Then what would be the force directed outwards? (According to Newton's third law of motion). It can't be centrifugal, because that is not a real force. Or let's say if we were to draw a free body diagram of the ball, what forces would be present? Assuming there is no tangential acceleration and that the ball is traveling at a constant speed.
 
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The string pulls on the ball, and at the same time the ball pulls on the string. Equal and opposite forces.
 
sofiasherwood said:
Does that mean the ball is also causing tension in the string, pulling it outwards. Just as centripetal force is pulling it inwards. So do we have tension both ways? Or can tension only ever be one way?

Both ways.
See here for more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_(physics )
 
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According to Newtons first law,the ball tries to move in a straight line.We are constantly changing it's direction.A force is required to change the direction of an object.So a centripetal force is provided.That's it.
 
Hi. The centrifugal force appears in the frame of reference of the ball( which is a non inertial frame). It never arises in the frame of reference of the ground. If we draw a free body diagram of the ball in the ground frame of reference, then the only forces acting on the ball will be the tension (=centripetal force) and gravitational force.Speaking of Newton's third law , you must remember that the equal-and-opposite pair of forces (in general ) will not act on the same body . Here the string exerts an inward force on the ball, and the ball exerts an outward force on the string , both being equal in magnitude. I hope this clears things for you .
 
Let's think for EXAMPLE,you are spinning a ball of mass 100KG(With a very strong rope and a thread.At a certain point,you release the strong rope.The ball will try to move in a straight line at a tangent.As the momentum will be very high,the centripetal force will also be high.The thread can't withstand the force provided,so it breaks.
 

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