Circular motion of water in a glass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of water in a glass when subjected to circular motion, specifically focusing on the shape that the water takes and the forces involved. Participants explore the implications of centrifugal and centripetal forces in this context, as well as the geometry of the water's surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Aveld, describes an experiment involving water moving in a circular motion and suggests that the water will form a conical shape as it climbs the sides of the glass.
  • Another participant explains that the centripetal force required for circular motion can be expressed in terms of mass, velocity, and radius, and discusses the equilibrium condition that determines the shape of the water's surface.
  • A third participant recalls that the shape formed by the water is a paraboloid, which contrasts with Aveld's initial conical shape suggestion.
  • Aveld seeks clarification on whether the glass is being rotated or moved in orbital motion, indicating that this distinction is significant for the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the shape of the water's surface, with some suggesting a conical shape and others proposing a paraboloid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of the water's surface and the conditions affecting it.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definitions of the motion being applied (rotating the glass vs. moving it in a circle) and how this affects the analysis of forces and shapes involved.

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Hey all,

I'm attempting a lab where I want to have water moving in circular motion in a glass. I realized that the water will climb the side of the glass creating a sort of conical shape, if you will. I know that there is a way to calculate the change in height that occurs as the speed of the water increases. I was thinking centrifugal force, but I don't remember my motion well enough for this sort of thing.

Any and all help would be freakin' awesome:smile:

Aveld
 
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The centripetal force necessary to hold something in a circle of radius R with constant speed v (and so angular speed [itex]\omega[/itex] is mv2/R or [itex]m\omega^2R[/itex]. That vector force, <-mv2/R,0>, added to the gravitational force <0, -mg> gives total force m<-v2/R, -g>, in the xz-plane. More generally, it is [itex]m<-(v^2/R)cos(\theta), -(v^2/R)sin(\theta), -g>. It is the "equilibrium" condition, that that vector be perpendicular to the surface of the water that determines its form.[/itex]
 
As I recall, It forms a paraboloid
 
mavrick3987 said:
Hey all,

I'm attempting a lab where I want to have water moving in circular motion in a glass. I realized that the water will climb the side of the glass creating a sort of conical shape, if you will. I know that there is a way to calculate the change in height that occurs as the speed of the water increases. I was thinking centrifugal force, but I don't remember my motion well enough for this sort of thing.

Any and all help would be freakin' awesome:smile:

Aveld

Are you rotating the glass, or are you moving the glass in orbital motion- moving the glass in a circle without rotating the glass? There's a big difference.
 

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