Circular motion. Uniform and accelerating. (Bridge)

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A bridge opens from 0 to 80 degrees in 2 minutes, with the first 20 degrees involving acceleration and the last 60 degrees at constant angular velocity. The discussion revolves around finding the acceleration for the initial segment and the angular velocity for the latter segment. The user has set up equations to solve for these variables but expresses confusion about the justification for using specific equations. Participants clarify that the choice of equations depends on the variables involved and the relationships between them. Understanding which equations to use is essential for solving problems in circular motion effectively.
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Homework Statement



A bridge takes 2 minutes to open up fully from 0 to 80 degrees. The first 20 degrees it is accelerating, and the last 60 degrees it is traveling with even velocity.

I will have to find acceleration for the first 20 degrees and angular velocity for the last 60 degrees.

http://peecee.dk/upload/view/357409 Illustration.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried setting up three equations with three unknowns:

http://peecee.dk/upload/view/357410

I have tried isolating a in the first two equations, and then put 1=2. Then isolating ω in this new equation, and replacing this with the ω in the third equation. Then i isolate t, and get 48 second. This gives the correct answer to the acelleration, but i don't know why. Can you help?

Is there other way to do it maybe?

Thank you in advance.
 
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Hi EVriderDK! :smile:

That looks ok … you eliminated α, then you solved for t, that is the way to do it.
EVriderDK said:
…This gives the correct answer to the acelleration, but i don't know why.

I don't understand. If it solves the equations, isn't that enough justification? :confused:
 
Why is it correct to use these three equations. I didn't come up with them my self.
I was just told that this i s the correct way to do it, but i lack the understanding.
 
EVriderDK said:
… I didn't come up with them my self.

ah! :rolleyes:

ok, first, are you familiar with the standard constant acceleration equations for ordinary (linear) motion?
 
Yes I'm familiar with all the formulas, i just cannot see, how the person who put them together, knew, that this was the way to do it.
 
if a is constant …

then dv/dt = a, so ∆v = at

d2x/dt2 = a, so ∆x = vot + 1/2 at2

a = dv/dt = dv/dx dx/dt = vdv/dx = 1/2 d(v2)/dx, so ∆(v2) = 2as :wink:
 
But how did he know, that I had to use these three equations, in that order etc. ?
 
Argh! :D

Let me rephrase.

How to find out how many equations you are going to work with, and what these equations have to contain?
 
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it's always obvious which one to use …

it's the one that has the variables you're given, and the variable you want

one has s u a and t

one has u v a and s

one has u v a and t​
 
  • #11
So because i don't have ω in the first equation, i have to have an equation with ω in it? Because the third equation needs this ω ?
 
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