Circular orbit in schwarzschild solution

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a recent infrared flare detected from SgrA*, suggesting a plasma blob in a circular orbit, which could challenge the notion of SgrA* as a Schwarzschild black hole. The calculations focus on deriving the orbital period by integrating the expression for dφ/dt, leading to a period formula dependent on the energy factor E. The user seeks to determine an appropriate value for E to achieve a period of 17 minutes, noting that different values yield varying periods. They also consider using classical mechanics to estimate angular momentum, ultimately questioning the validity of imposing the desired period to solve for E. The conversation highlights the complexities of relating observational data to theoretical models in general relativity.
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Hello everybody, I've been working on a problem about circular orbits in schwarschild spacetime. Recently a infrared flare has been detected from SgrA*m and the lightcurve during the flare has shown some quasiperiodic oscillations with a period of about 17 minutes. Some astronomers interpreted this effect as being due to a shining blob of plasma which is on a circular orbit around SgrA*. Show that if this interpretation is correct, SgrA* is not a schwarzschild black hole.

My thought on how to solve this, is to calculate d\phi / dt, and then integrate this expression to phi from 0 to 2pi to find the period of a particle in a circular orbit. From the lecture notes I've got that the radius of such an orbit equals to 3r_g, with r_g the schwarzschild radius.

In order to obtain this, I used the symmetries of the problem:
1) u_0 = const = E
2) u_{\phi} = const
3) d\theta = 0 because \theta = \pi / 2
4) dr = 0 because we are on a circular orbit

This gives the following metric:

ds^2 = (1 - \frac{r_g}{r}) dt^2 - r^2 d\phi^2

Using the relation that the magnitude of the 4-velocity equals to one, I find that:
(1 - \frac{r_g}{r}) (u^0 )^2 - r^2 \left(\frac{d\phi}{d\tau}\right)^2 = 1
\frac{E^2}{1 - r_g / r} - r^2(u^{\phi})^2 = 1
u^{\phi} = \frac{1}{r} \sqrt{\frac{E^2}{1 - r_g / r} - 1}

Now it's easy to find d\phi / dt:
\frac{d\phi}{dt} = \frac{u^{\phi}}{u^0} = \frac{1}{r} \sqrt{\frac{E^2}{1 - r_g / r} - 1} \frac{1 - r_g / r}{E}

If we now integrate this to phi and plug in the correct factors of G and c and the value r = 3 r_g we find the total period of the orbit in seconds:

\Delta t = \frac{18 \pi M E}{\sqrt{\frac{3}{2}E^2 - 1}} \frac{G}{c^3}

Now the problem is this factor of E. I need to have this value to obtain a solution for the period. Is there any way to obtain this E, which is equal to the first covariant component of the 4-velocity vector?

For example if I take E = 1, the equation gives me a period of 26 minutes, but I think it also may be possible to choose E such that the period would be 17 minutes.

Can anybody help me on this? :)
 
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I've thought of a way to obtain E using classical arguments. But I'm not sure if it's justifiable to do it this way.

Because the blob of plasma is on a circular orbit around the black hole, I intend te use just Newton's law to determine the approximately angular momentum of the blob. From equating the centripetal force with the gravitational force we find that the velocity equals to v = \sqrt{M / r_c}. This gives that l^2 = r_c M.
If we know use the fact that the phi component of the 4-velocity equals the angelur momentum, we see that u^{\phi} = -\sqrt{r_c M}, which gives when doing some simplification that E = 7/9. This gives me a period of 35 minutes, which is reasonable :rolleyes:
 
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Eghm ... does it have sense to solve the formula for E, imposing the period to be 17 minutes, and then trying to do some considerations about the values of E found ??
 
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