Circular Polarization in Electrical Engineering: Examining the Poincaré Sphere

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The discussion revolves around the concept of circular polarization in electrical engineering, specifically examining the implications of wave propagation direction on the Poincaré sphere representation. Participants explore the mathematical representation of electric fields in circularly polarized waves and their corresponding locations on the Poincaré sphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a uniform plane TEM wave composed of two linearly polarized waves and questions the handedness of the polarization when the direction of propagation is reversed.
  • Another participant asserts that if the first wave is defined as right-handed, the second wave traveling in the opposite direction would be left-handed, suggesting it is located at the south pole of the Poincaré sphere.
  • A different participant challenges the idea that the direction of propagation affects the Poincaré sphere representation, arguing that the ratios and phase differences of Ex and Ey should determine the point on the sphere without considering propagation direction.
  • A request for step-by-step directions on analytically plotting the state on the Poincaré sphere using Ex and Ey equations is made, emphasizing the need for clarity on the role of propagation direction in this process.

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Participants express differing views on whether the direction of wave propagation affects the handedness of circular polarization and its representation on the Poincaré sphere. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of handedness and the role of propagation direction in determining the Poincaré sphere location. The discussion does not resolve these aspects.

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*I am using the conventions of circular polarisation according to electrical engineering , not the one used in optics*

Let us take a uniform plane TEM wave traveling in +z direction which is composed of two linearly polarised TEM waves , one whose electric field lies in X direction , the other whose electric field lies in Y direction . Let us take the case of circular polarisation
so we take ,

Ex = E0 cos([tex]\omega[/tex] t - [tex]\beta[/tex] z) ax
Ey = E0 cos([tex]\omega[/tex] t - [tex]\beta[/tex] z + [tex]\pi[/tex]\2) ay

Now the resultant TEM wave has the Electric field vector left handed circularly polarised .
On the Poincare Sphere this will be given by the north pole point.
Suppose we had same wave ,but traveling in -ve z direction.
Ex = E0 cos([tex]\omega[/tex] t + [tex]\beta[/tex] z) ax
Ey = E0 cos([tex]\omega[/tex] t + [tex]\beta[/tex] z + [tex]\pi[/tex]\2) ay

My doubt is :- is the wave left handed circularly polarised or right handed circularly polarised ? And where on Poincare sphere is it located?
 
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AFAIK, if you've defined the first as right-handed, the second is left handed, which is located at the 'south pole' of the Poincare sphere.

My go-to book (Azzam and Bashara's 'ellipsometry and polarized light') is not here, so I'm going by memory.
 


yes , if one of them is on South Pole the other is on North Pole, if we find out the sense of polarisation manually.

But According to me while plotting on the Poincare sphere analytically , using the properties of Ex and Ey we simply use their ratios and relative phase difference . We don't take into account direction of propagation . So won't we get same point ?

Please can you give step by step directions as to how you will analytically plot the state on the sphere simply using the equations for Ex and Ey , not by drawing the polarisation ellipse and manually finding sense of rotation . Will you take into account direction of propagation.
 


please help in resolving my doubts.
 

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