Circular Wave Equations: Pebble Dropped in a Pond

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The discussion centers on the mathematical representation of circular waves, specifically those created by a pebble dropped in a pond. Participants agree that Bessel functions are relevant, particularly in analyzing wave behavior as amplitude and wavelength change with distance. There is debate over the connection of certain equations, like y=sinkx/x^2, to Bessel functions, with one participant suggesting it resembles the Fraunhofer diffraction equation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of setting up the correct differential equations to accurately model wave behavior. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the complexity of wave equations and their solutions in different contexts.
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What are the equation(s) for circular waves such as pebble dropped in a pond.
 
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OK, I'll bite. Bessel function of the First Kind?

Zz.
 
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Yes, a Bessel function. How about a circular wave in which the wavelength is constant. I have looked at graphs of Bessel functions in a plane and they appear to decrease in amplitude and wavelength.
 
If you look at the Bessel functions carefully you will see that the wavelength approaches a constant value as you go from the near field to the far field regions. You also infer that behavior from the asymptotic behavior of the governing differential equation (wave equation) for the Bessel functions.
 
I am studing the equation y=sinkx/x^2 and find that the second order differential equation found for this equation is Bessel like, but not identical to Bessel functions. The first derivative term, for example, is off by a constant.
 
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rlduncan said:
I am studing the equation y=sinkx/x^2 and find that the second order differential equation found for this equation is Bessel like, but not identical to Bessel functions. The first derivative term, for example, is off by a constant.

Are you sure it is not

y=\frac{sin^2(kx)}{(kx)^2}

which is the Fraunhofer diffraction equation? If it is, then I don't see the connection with asking for circular water waves.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Are you sure it is not

y=\frac{sin^2(kx)}{(kx)^2}

which is the Fraunhofer diffraction equation? If it is, then I don't see the connection with asking for circular water waves.

Zz.

First time I've seen you use Latex!
 
If you graph just sinx/x^2 where k=1 then you get a damped sine curve in which the wavelength is constant. I assume for ripples on a pond the wavelengths are constant and I was trying to make a connection if any.
 
rlduncan said:
If you graph just sinx/x^2 where k=1 then you get a damped sine curve in which the wavelength is constant. I assume for ripples on a pond the wavelengths are constant and I was trying to make a connection if any.

I'm not sure how you can assume that when you haven't set up the diff. equation to solve for such a problem. Note that for a drum-membrane problem, you do have bessel functions as the solution to the diff. equation with the proper boundary conditions.

Zz.
 
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