Clarification about submanifold definition in ##\mathbb R^2##

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a diffeomorphism in the context of a smooth curve ##\gamma:\mathbb R→\mathbb R^2## and its image ##\Gamma## as a submanifold of ##\mathbb R^2##. Participants explore whether the map ##\gamma## is a diffeomorphism onto its image, considering aspects of differential geometry and the properties of smooth maps.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that ##\gamma## is a diffeomorphism onto its image, citing the Invariance of Domain theorem and the properties of the composition ##g = \phi \circ \gamma##.
  • Another participant challenges this by providing a counterexample where the inverse of ##\gamma## is not differentiable, suggesting that the smoothness of ##g## does not guarantee that ##\gamma## is a diffeomorphism.
  • A later reply agrees that while ##g## is a smooth homeomorphism, it does not imply that the inverse is also differentiable, indicating a nuanced understanding of the definitions involved.
  • Some participants propose that ##\gamma## is locally a diffeomorphism if its derivative is an injective linear map, aligning with the definition of smooth immersion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether ##\gamma## is a diffeomorphism onto its image. While some agree on the conditions under which local diffeomorphisms occur, there is no consensus on the global behavior of ##\gamma## as a diffeomorphism.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of differentiability of the inverse map and the conditions under which a smooth map can be classified as a diffeomorphism. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the Invariance of Domain theorem and the specific properties of the curve ##\gamma##.

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Clarification about submanifold definition and diffeomorphisms involved in ##\mathbb R^2##
Hi,
a clarification about the following: consider a smooth curve ##γ:\mathbb R→\mathbb R^2##. It is a injective smooth map from ##\mathbb R## to ##\mathbb R^2##. The image of ##\gamma## (call it ##\Gamma##) is itself a smooth manifold with dimension 1 and a regular/embedded submanifold of ##\mathbb R^2##.

Since it is a regular submanifold there is a global chart ##(\phi, \mathbb R^2)## such that ##\Gamma## is represented as ##(x,0),x∈\mathbb R##. Restricting such a chart to ##\Gamma## we get the manifold structure on it w.r.t. the inclusion map ##i:\Gamma ↪\mathbb R^2## is an embedding. So far so good.

My point is: is the above map ##γ:\mathbb R→\mathbb R^2## a diffeomorphism onto its image ? I believe the answer is positive.
##\Gamma## indeed is diffeomorphic to ##\mathbb R## by definition of chart. Now the composition ##g = \phi \circ \gamma## is a continuous injective map ##g: \mathbb R \rightarrow \mathbb R##. By virtue of Invariance of domain theorem ##g## is an homeomorphism hence the map ##\gamma## is actually a differentiable homeomorphism onto its image (i.e. a diffeomorphism onto the image).
 
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I haven't done differential geometry in a while, so sorry if I say something wrong here. I think since ##g## isn't the identity map, you haven't proven that the inverse of ##\gamma## is differentiable.

Consider the map ##\gamma: x\to (x^3,0)##. Then the inverse is easy to compute as ##(z,0)\to z^{1/3}##. This is not differentiable. There are obviously choices of ##\phi:\Gamma\to \mathbb{R}## for which ##\phi \circ \gamma## is smooth (e.g. ##\phi(z,0)=z##), but this doesn't mean ##\gamma## is a diffeomorphism.
 
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I haven't done differential geometry in a while, so sorry if I say something wrong here. I think since ##g## isn't the identity map, you haven't proven that the inverse of ##\gamma## is differentiable.
Ah yes, that makes sense. Indeed from Invariance of domain theorem it follows that ##g## is a smooth homeomorphism ##g: \mathbb R \rightarrow \mathbb R## (i.e. it is a differentiable/smooth homeomorphism however we cannot claim the inverse map ##g^{-1}## is a differentiable/smooth map too).

So, from a general point of view, even though the image ##\Gamma## of a smooth curve ##\gamma## is a regular/embedded submanifold of ##\mathbb R^2##, the map ##\gamma## itself may or may not be a diffeomorphism onto its image ##\Gamma##.
 
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I think ##\gamma## is locally a diffeomorphism with its image whenever its derivative is an injective linear map.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
I think ##\gamma## is locally a diffeomorphism with its image whenever its derivative is an injective linear map.
Yes, that is the definition of smooth immersion: if ##\gamma## is an immersion from ##\mathbb R## in ##\mathbb R^2## then it is a local diffeomorphism.
 
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