Classical Mechanics: Lagrangian for pendulum with oscillating support

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the Lagrangian for a simple pendulum with a mass m, whose point of support moves horizontally according to the law x=acos(γt). The attempted solution includes equations for x and y, and the book's given solution differs from the attempted solution. The solution may be incorrect due to a missing total derivative connecting the two equations.
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Homework Statement



Greetings! This is an example problem at the end of Chapter 1 in Mechanics (Landau):
A simple pendulum of mass m whose point of support oscillates horizontally in the plane of motion of the pendulum according to the law [tex] x=acos(\gamma t) [/tex].
Find the Lagrangian.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


[tex] x = a cos(\gamma t) + l sin(\phi) ; y = l cos(\phi) [/tex]

Where, [tex] \phi [/tex] is the angle the pendulum makes with the vertical. Then:


[tex]
\dot{x}= -a\gamma sin(\gamma t)+l cos(\phi) \dot{\phi} ; \dot{y} = -l sin(\phi) \dot{\phi}[/tex]

[tex]
L = T - U = \frac{1}{2} m ( \dot{x}^2 + \dot{y}^2) - U
[/tex]

Which gives (ignoring full time derivative terms):
[tex]
L = \frac{1}{2} ml^2 \dot{\phi}^2 - m l a \gamma sin (\gamma t) cos(\phi)\dot{\phi} + m g l cos(\phi)
[/tex]

Answer given in the book:
[tex]
L = \frac{1}{2} ml^2 \dot{\phi}^2 + m l a \gamma^2 cos (\gamma t) sin(\phi) + m g l cos(\phi)
[/tex]


My solution is different from the one given in the book. Could someone please tell me where I'm going wrong?
 
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for sure, there is a total derivated connecting both.
 
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Funny, the internet pdf (2nd edition) has a problem 2 and a problem 3 that show similarities. If I look at problem 2 (and remove m1) that's just what you find:
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in your case x(t) is given, and ##(-a\gamma \sin\gamma t)^2 ## isn't interesting (can you tell why not?), so that leaves your expression !

Note that ##a sin\gamma t## is not as clear as ##a\sin\gamma t## ( a \sin \gamma t ) because some folks might interpret the ##asin## as ##\arcsin## ( \arcsin ).
In addition, TeX recognizes the \sin as a function and takes care of proper spacing !

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1. What is the Lagrangian for a pendulum with an oscillating support?

In classical mechanics, the Lagrangian is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of a physical system. For a pendulum with an oscillating support, the Lagrangian can be derived using the principle of virtual work, and is given by the difference between the kinetic and potential energies of the system.

2. How does the Lagrangian for a pendulum with an oscillating support differ from a fixed support?

The main difference between the Lagrangian for a pendulum with an oscillating support and a fixed support is the presence of an additional term in the potential energy function. This term takes into account the motion of the support, which affects the potential energy of the pendulum.

3. Can the Lagrangian be used to predict the motion of a pendulum with an oscillating support?

Yes, the Lagrangian can be used to derive the equations of motion for a pendulum with an oscillating support. These equations can then be solved to predict the position, velocity, and acceleration of the pendulum at any given time.

4. What are the advantages of using the Lagrangian over other methods in studying pendulum motion?

The Lagrangian approach to studying pendulum motion has several advantages. It provides a more systematic and elegant way of describing the dynamics of the system compared to Newton's laws. It also allows for the inclusion of constraints and non-conservative forces in the analysis, which may be difficult to consider using other methods.

5. Are there any limitations to using the Lagrangian for pendulum motion?

While the Lagrangian approach is generally more useful than other methods for studying pendulum motion, it does have some limitations. For example, it may be more challenging to apply to more complex systems with multiple degrees of freedom. Additionally, the Lagrangian approach may not provide as much insight into the physical forces and interactions at play compared to other methods.

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