Can We Cancel the Derivative of dt in These Equations?

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problem in this book : classical mechanics goldstein

Why can we cancel the derivative of dt from these equations?

e.g.
##\frac{d(x)}{dt} + \frac{b sin\theta}{2} \frac{d(\theta)}{dt} = asin\theta \frac{d(\phi)}{dt}##
## x +\frac{b \theta sin\theta}{2} = a \phi sin\theta ##

because I think
##\frac{d(x)}{dt} + \frac{b sin\theta}{2} \frac{d(\theta)}{dt} = asin\theta \frac{d(\phi)}{dt}##
##\frac{d}{dt}(x - (b/2) cos\theta) = asin\theta \frac{d(\phi)}{dt}## due to ##sin\theta ## dependent on t. we can't cancel dt

Or it is just only divider. So We can cancel
 
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The short answer is: because it works.
The long answer is: because of the connection between tangent bundles and differential forms.

The long answer is not really trivial and I'm not sure I can explain it without making mistakes.

Let's consider an easy case: ##\dot{x}=\dot{y}.## If we treat the expressions ##\dfrac{dx}{dt}## as ordinary quotients, then ##dx=dy## is obvious. We could either imagine that the infinitesimals are tiny distances, which is rigorously seen wrong, or we could invoke L'Hôpital's rule, which is a bit better, since ##\frac{dx}{dt}## is an abbreviation of a limit process.

Let's see what ##dx=dy## tells us. Integration yields ##\int dx = \int dy## and thus ##x=y+C##, which is what we would expect from ##\dot{x}=\dot{y}.##
 
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