Clipper Circuits: Vi vs. Vr Understanding

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a diode in a clipper circuit, specifically the conditions under which the diode is forward or reverse biased based on the input voltage (Vi) and reference voltage (Vr). Participants explore the implications of these conditions and how they affect the output voltage (Vo).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how to determine when the diode is forward or reverse biased based on the relationship between Vi and Vr.
  • There are questions regarding the role of the reference voltage (Vr) in the circuit and its impact on the diode's biasing.
  • One participant states that for Vin = 0V, the diode's state needs clarification, prompting further exploration of the circuit's behavior.
  • Participants discuss the output voltage (Vo) when the diode is reverse biased, with differing opinions on its value based on the circuit configuration.
  • There is a proposal that the diode will conduct current only if the input voltage (Vi) is 0.7V lower than Vr, but this generalization is questioned by others.
  • Some participants highlight that the diode's conduction depends on the voltage drop across it, which is typically around 0.5V to 0.7V.
  • There is a suggestion to assume values for unknowns (Vr & Vin) to analyze the diode's bias, but this method is noted as not strictly necessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the generalization regarding when the diode will conduct. There are multiple competing views on how to interpret the conditions for forward and reverse biasing, and the discussion remains unresolved on several points.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions related to the diode's behavior and the specific values of input and reference voltages. The discussion includes various interpretations of the circuit's operation without resolving the mathematical steps involved.

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In the given circuit. It was given that when Vi>Vr diode will be reverse biased or off..and when Vi<Vr diode will be forward biased... but I am not getting how we infer this..??It may sound a very basic question but its not clear...I am not able to decide it
 

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For Vin = 0V the diode is ON or OFF?
 
I have no idea about this.. actually I am not getting the use of the battery Vr..!
 
Battery (Vr) is nothing more than a voltage source. You are not familiar with a voltage source?

As for the diode. Diode allows current to flow only in one direction (called the diode's forward direction), while blocking current in the opposite direction (the reverse direction).

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Forward-biased diode (diode is ON)
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Reverse-biased diode (diode is OFF)

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IR isn't 0. It is just small.
 
zoki85 said:
IR isn't 0. It is just small.
Well yes, but I don't want to confuse the OP. And you can read from the first picture the reverse current is typically in nanoamps range
 
yes I know Vr is voltage source ,but here it is affecting the bias of diode whether forward or reverse..but how its being decided.
 
If we set Vin = 0V, then you can replace Vin with a short wire.
So the circuit will looks like this:

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And now can you tell me in which state the diode is, ON or OFF? And Vo is ?
 
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It seems to be in reverse bias..!
 
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Yes, diode is reverse biased. But what about Vo voltage? Any clues?
 
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its in rever biase ..so it'll be open , so output V0 will be Vr..>!
 
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no..actually considering the polarity of battery , V0 will be -Vr.
 
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Yes, very good Vo = -vr. So if we assume that Vr = 2V then Vo = -2V

OK, so now let as try to find Vo if Vi is larger than 0V. For example Vi = 5V

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The voltage at cathode is 5V and the voltage at anode is -2V. So voltage across the diode is equal to Vd = -2V - 5V = -7V.
And this means that diode is OFF(Reverse-biased) and Vo = -2V.

Now let as change the polarity of the Vi voltage source from +5V into -5V.

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This time diode is forward biased because Vd is positive. Vd = Vo - Vi = -2V - (-5V) = 3V. And this is why the diode will conduct current.
And Vo = -4.3V.
So we can conclude that the diode will be ON only if input voltage (Vi) is 0.7V voltage lower than Vr voltage.
Diode is ON if Vin < -2.7V
 
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but if we take Vi=1V then diode will be reverse biase even if Vi=-1V.. since Vd= -2-(-1)=-1V..so it will not conduct..!
 
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Jony130 said:
So we can conclude that the diode will be ON only if input voltage (Vi) is 0.7V voltage lower than Vr voltage.
Diode is ON if Vin < -2.7V
I did'nt get this point..how can you generalise it.>??
 
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ranju said:
but if we take Vi=1V then diode will be reverse biase even if Vi=-1V.. since Vd= -2-(-1)=-1V..so it will not conduct..!
Yes exactly. Diode will conduct only if Vin is lower than -2.7V

ranju said:
I did'nt get this point..how can you generalise it.>??
What you don't understand here?
When diode conduct, the voltage drop across the diode is around 0.5V...0.7V.
This means that Vin voltage must be 0.7V lower than Vr voltage to force diode to conduct.
For Vr = 2V input voltage need to be lower than -2.7V
 
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ohkk ..so for solving the clipper circuits.. we should proceed in this way only..?? I mean assuming values of unknowns ( Vr & Vin)..then find the bias of diode..??
 
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No it is not necessary, but this "method" help us visualize the situation much better.
 

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