Clocks that properly represent time.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of time through different types of clocks, specifically contrasting continuous motion clocks with those that tick in discrete seconds. Participants explore the implications of these designs on the perception of time, as well as personal preferences for digital versus analog clocks.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that time should be represented as a flow rather than in discrete units, questioning the effectiveness of ticking clocks.
  • Others express a preference for digital clocks, citing ease of reading and usability, while some find analog clocks more challenging due to their need for mental conversion of time.
  • A participant notes that the ticking mechanism of clocks is a historical artifact from earlier designs, while modern electrical clocks can operate continuously.
  • Concerns are raised about the educational implications of children learning to read clocks, particularly in relation to digital versus analog formats.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of time quantization, with varying opinions on whether time flows in units or if it can be considered continuous.
  • There is mention of Planck time as a theoretical limit to the measurement of time, suggesting that while time may be quantized, it is beyond current detection capabilities.
  • Participants express differing views on the annoyance of ticking sounds and the preference for quieter clock mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether continuous or discrete clocks better represent time. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the nature of time and the effectiveness of different clock types.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of measuring time in units, with participants expressing uncertainty about how this relates to the flow of time. The conversation also reflects varying personal experiences and preferences that influence opinions on clock types.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts of time representation, clock design, educational methods for teaching time, and the philosophical implications of time measurement.

  • #31
zoobyshoe said:
One of the reasons Tesla recommended that Westinghouse adopt a 60 cycle grid was so that clocks could keep time off the grid. Each revolution of their motors was in a fixed ratio to the 60 cycles and the gearing could be set up accordingly.

Not a very good argument. The UK didn't have any problem designing clocks synchronized to a 50 Hz grid.

The important thing for a clock using mechanical gears is that the frequency factorizes into small prime numbers, not the coincidence that time is already measured in "base 60" arithmetic.
 
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  • #32
Why all this obsession with minutes and seconds? This is still doing its job perfectly well (and you can read it from up to 2 miles away) http://www.coningsbyparishcouncil.co.uk/clock.htm.html
 
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  • #34
In my one second frame it is the constant motion of my consciousnesses that allows me the view of time flowing but to keep up with the rest of you I use my gps phone.
 
  • #35
Ha! Try one of these.

http://www.unitedgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ziiiro-Gravity-and-Mercury-Watch-Photo.jpg
 
  • #36
drizzle said:
Ha! Try one of these.

http://www.unitedgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ziiiro-Gravity-and-Mercury-Watch-Photo.jpg


This looks just as cryptic as your signature!
 
  • #37
One needs to keep de mind busy! :biggrin:
 
  • #38
Beautiful, but very feminine. Just not my cup of tea.
 
  • #39
Willowz said:
I was wondering about two types of clocks that I see often. One is continuous in manner and the other ticks from one second to the next.

Which clock properly represents time?

Personally, I think time should be represented as a flow and not in unitary fashion. What do you think?

Willowz said:
Does time flow in units? I'm not an expert, but wondering if describing in units (quanta) is proper.
Any clock is based on some periodic function. Analog and digital clocks both increment in discrete units, but can be mechanically engineered to appear to be continual.

Does the universe actually evolve in discrete configurations? Imo, no, but that's one way of modelling it.
 
  • #40
drizzle said:
Ha! Try one of these.

http://www.unitedgadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ziiiro-Gravity-and-Mercury-Watch-Photo.jpg

Wow, that's cool :cool:!
 
  • #41
Willowz said:
Beautiful, but very feminine. Just not my cup of tea.

Can you drink tea from them? :confused:

That would be more useful than to tell time! :biggrin:
 
  • #42
If you are offered a great deal on a Rolex, it might be wise to have educated yourself about watch movements beforehand. The difference is about the entire cost of the "Rolex" that you're thinking of buying.
 

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