The Greenhouse Effect: Trapping IR Energy through Absorption and Re-emission

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The discussion focuses on the mechanisms by which greenhouse gases trap infrared (IR) energy emitted from the Earth's surface. Eli Rabett's work, particularly "How Greenhouse Gases Heat the Surface," clarifies that absorbed IR energy does not remain in the molecule but is quickly converted to thermal motion through collisions, with thermalization occurring in approximately 10 microseconds at atmospheric pressure. A significant fraction of CO2 molecules, around 6% at room temperature, exist in excited states capable of emitting IR energy. The primary mechanism for energy transfer back to the ground is through absorption and re-emission, not reflection.

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Is the mechanism of greenhouse gases trapping energy emitted as Infra Red radiation by the cooling ground either
reflecting back a 50% of the radiated IR energy back to Earth
or/and
the greenhouse gas molecule becoming excited with the extra energy and essentially becoming hotter?
Is it just the first or both?
 
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I would say neither. Many explanations are oversimplified.
I like Eli Rabett's "The Simplest Explanation"

I see that just yesterday he is working on an improved version:
"How Greenhouse Gases Heat the Surface"
where he says:
Energy does not stay in the molecule that absorbs the IR photon, to be re-radiated later. This is not so, it is quickly degenerated to thermal motion (translation, zipping about) via collisions. Thermalization requires about a 10 μs at atmospheric pressure. So where does the emission come from the bunnies ask?

Well, there is a considerable thermal energy at room temperature, and even much lower. True this average energy is low compared to even the lowest vibrational excitation of CO2 (which would be ~1000 K), but it is enough that a small, but significant fraction of CO2 molecules are always found in excited levels which can emit in the IR (about 6% at room temperature).
 
John Plant said:
Is the mechanism of greenhouse gases trapping energy emitted as Infra Red radiation by the cooling ground either reflecting back a 50% of the radiated IR energy back to Earth or/and the greenhouse gas molecule becoming excited with the extra energy and essentially becoming hotter?

The energy goes back to the ground by absorption and re-emission (not reflection). There is a nice Sankey diagram in the German Wikipedia entry for the greenhouse effect:

Sun_climate_system_alternative_(German)_2008.jpg

[Edit: I just see that FactChecker posted an English version of the diagram in a parallel thread.]
 
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