Coefficient of friction in soap?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the coefficients of friction for dry and wet soap, with participants seeking specific values and exploring the variability of these coefficients based on different soap formulations and surface interactions. The conversation includes experimental approaches and comparisons with other materials.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the static and dynamic friction values for dry and wet soap, noting difficulty in finding this information online.
  • Another participant suggests that experimental measurement would yield more reliable data.
  • A participant points out that coefficients of friction are typically defined for specific pairs of surfaces, mentioning examples like wood on wood and soap on sandpaper or glass.
  • It is noted that different soap formulations can affect frictional characteristics, with specific examples like Ivory bar soap and Tide laundry detergent provided.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the friction coefficients of various hard and soft materials, suggesting that engine oils might be among the most slippery.
  • Another participant clarifies that oils are characterized by viscosity rather than coefficients of friction, although they can be defined under certain conditions involving oil.
  • A suggestion is made to consult a "Tribology" handbook for more detailed information on friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on specific friction values for soap, and multiple views regarding the variability of coefficients based on different conditions and materials remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the lack of standardized data for soap friction coefficients and the influence of different soap formulations and surface types on these values. There are also unresolved distinctions between viscosity and friction coefficients in the context of oils.

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What are the static and dynamic friction values for dry and wet soap? I can't find these things anywhere on the net, except for an assumption of the kinetic value of 0.06.

If someone has access to an extensive data sheet on frictional values, then that would help greatly. Thanx
 
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I would find it experimentally if you want good data.
 
Coefficients of friction are ordinarily listed for pairs of surfaces. For example, (from an oollldddd CRC Hndbk), "wood on wood (dry) x.xx, wood on wood (soapy) y.yy." Soap on 20 grit sandpaper, or soap on wet glass?
 
Keep in mind as well that there are myriad formulae of soap. Ivory bar soap will not have the same characteristics as Dial, and certainly not the same as Tide laundry detergent.
 
Just out of curiosity,
If we don't count in superfluids ,can somebody list friction coefficinents of pairs of hard and soft materials that are "the most slippery" in practice?
Some sort of engine oils I guess?
 
Oils have viscosity, not coefficients of friction.
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
Oils have viscosity, not coefficients of friction.
Directly,they haven't got it all right.
But it can be defined under certain conditions where oil is present.
Consider two metal pistons submerged in oil ,and they press against each other.
 
Find a "Tribology" handbook and have a party.
 
Find "tribdog" and have a party

...make sure not to bring any pepsi. :smile:
 

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