Coefficient of Kinetic Friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the coefficient of kinetic friction and work done by a force on a packing crate being pushed across a rough surface. The crate is pushed with a constant force while moving at constant velocity, prompting questions about the forces at play and the relationship between them.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the applied force and the force of friction, questioning the implications of constant velocity on these forces. There is an attempt to clarify the role of the normal force and how it relates to friction.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, discussing the forces involved and how they interact. Some have drawn free body diagrams to visualize the forces, while others are seeking clarification on how to calculate the force of friction based on the given conditions. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants expressing improved understanding as a result of the discussion.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the forces acting on the crate, particularly in the context of constant velocity and the implications for friction. The original poster's calculations and assumptions are being scrutinized, leading to further exploration of the problem's setup.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal force of 150 N is used to push a 50.0 kg packing crate a distance of 5.00 m on a rough horizontal surface.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.81 m/s2 .

If the crate moves with constant velocity, calculate:
a) the work done by the force. Answer in units of J.
b) the coefficient of kinetic friction.

Homework Equations


W=Fdcostheta
Ff=muFn

The Attempt at a Solution


I got part a right. However I am struggling for part B. Here is my work for both parts...

a) W=fdcostheta
W=(150)(5)cos(0)
W=750J

b) Ff=muFn

Fn=Fg
Fn= 50*9.81=490.5N
Ff=0 because there is constant velocity. Therefore, mu=0.

This answer is wrong. Can anyone tell me where I went wrong. Thank you.
 
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Beanie said:
b) Ff=muFn

Fn=Fg
Fn= 50*9.81=490.5N
Ff=0 because there is constant velocity. Therefore, mu=0.

If the velocity is constant and the force to keep it constant is 150 N, what's the force the crate is affected by the roughness of the surface?
 
stockzahn said:
If the velocity is constant and the force to keep it constant is 150 N, what's the force the crate is affected by the roughness of the surface?

The normal force/force of gravity?
 
The force of gravity has a vertical direction. You are looking for a force in horizontal direction. So in horizontal direction: No change of velocity (so no acceleration as you already indicated in your first post). But you push with 150 N, what does that mean for other horizontal forces and what kind of force affects an object that is pushed over a rough surface?
 
stockzahn said:
The force of gravity has a vertical direction. You are looking for a force in horizontal direction. So in horizontal direction: No change of velocity (so no acceleration as you already indicated in your first post). But you push with 150 N, what does that mean for other horizontal forces and what kind of force affects an object that is pushed over a rough surface?

Right, okay. So, in the horizontal direction, the force of friction and the force of the push (150N) are both affecting the object. They are also in opposite directions. I drew a FBD for it (attached file), however I am still stuck on how you calculate the Force of Friction.
 

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Beanie said:
Right, okay. So, in the horizontal direction, the force of friction and the force of the push (150N) are both affecting the object. They are also in opposite directions. I drew a FBD for it (attached file), however I am still stuck on how you calculate the Force of Friction.

The forces in vertical directions are correct, but if the forces in horizontal direction would be of the kind you drew, the object would accelerate as the pushing force is larger, than the friction force... If you find the right relation between pushing und friction force you promptly will have the answer to the original question.
 
stockzahn said:
The forces in vertical directions are correct, but if the forces in horizontal direction would be of the kind you drew, the object would accelerate as the pushing force is larger, than the friction force... If you find the right relation between pushing und friction force you promptly will have the answer to the original question.

Thank you for the help! This makes a lot of sense now!
 

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