Coloumb's Law and Electric Dipoles question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving Coulomb's Law and electric dipoles, specifically focusing on the interaction between an HCl molecule and a sodium ion (Na+). The problem includes calculating the force on the HCl molecule due to the Na+ ion based on given charges and distances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations related to the forces acting on the HCl molecule and question the setup of the problem, including the relative positions of the charges and the need for vector components in the analysis.

Discussion Status

The original poster has attempted a calculation but received feedback indicating an error. Participants are guiding the poster to clarify the problem statement and consider the vector nature of forces, suggesting a sketch to visualize the arrangement and forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for a diagram to understand the relative positions of the charges and the importance of including units in calculations. The original poster has acknowledged a misunderstanding regarding the specific question they need to answer.

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Homework Statement


1)HCl consists of one H and Cl atom separated by 0.127 nm, the bond length. The Cl atom has a partial charge of -0.177e and the H atom has a partial charge of +0.177e, where e = 1.602x10-19 C is the electron charge.

2)Now the HCl molecule is placed near a sodium ion Na+ with charge +1e. As shown in the figure, the distance between the Cl and Na atoms is d = 1.6 nm.

Homework Equations


I had finished question 1, but am stuck on question 2.

The Attempt at a Solution


I started with k(q1)(q2)/r^2 ----> (9x10^9) x (2.83554e-20) x (1.602e-19) / (1.727e-9)^2

I end up with an answer with 1.37e-11, but it is saying it is wrong. What am i doing incorrectly?
 
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What are the questions associated with 1) and 2). What are you supposed to calculate?

The diagram referenced would be helpful: What are the relative positions of the charges? Is the Na ion on the axis of the dipole formed by the H and Cl atoms?

Note that fields and forces are vector quantities: they have both magnitude and direction. They also have units associated with them. Don't forget to include units on all results!
 
Ah I am sorry. The question I am supposed to answer is :

What is the magnitude of the total force on the HCl molecule due to the Na+ ion |FHCl|?
 
You should make a sketch of the arrangement and draw in the force vectors operating on the H and Cl atoms due to the Na atom. Also indicate their X and Y components. Can you tell what the sum of those vectors will be from the sketch?
 

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