Electrical forces, application of Colomb's law

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the application of Coulomb's law in the context of atomic structure, specifically modeling the hydrogen atom with an electron in circular motion around a proton. The original poster is tasked with calculating the speed and frequency of the electron's motion based on given parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate Coulomb's force to centripetal force but expresses confusion about the need for the electron's velocity and mass. They question the absence of the mass of the electron in their resources.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance by suggesting the original poster look up the mass of the electron and point out potential issues with the signs in their equations. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's work being on the right track, but no consensus on the final approach has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes frustration due to missing information, specifically the mass of the electron, which is not provided in their textbook. There is also a mention of a possible typo regarding the radius of the atom.

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"In an early attempt to understand atomic structure, Niels Bohr modeled the hydrogen atom as an electron in uniform circular motion about a proton with the centripetal force caused by Colomb attraction. He predicted the radius of the electron's orbit to be 5.29x10^(-11) m. Calculate the speed of the electron and the frequency of its circular motion.

Homework Equations



Fe = (kQq)/r^2
Fc = (mv^2)/r
Ac = (v^2)/r

The Attempt at a Solution


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Honestly guys I this ones going to take me a while so please work with me.

What I don't understand is:

Wouldn't they have to give us the velocity of the electron? Because there is a tangential acceleration and then radial acceleration.

So Colombs force is the centripetal force, (kQq)/r^2 = (mv^2)/r

(kQq)/r = mv^2

where k = 8.99 x 10^9, in this case proton has a charge of +e = 1.602 x 10^-19 C and electron has charge of -e = -1.602 x 10^-19 C, r = 5.29x10^11 m

so

( (8.99 x 10^9)(1.602 x 10^{-19} C ) (-1.602 x 10^{-19} C ) ) / 5.29x10^{11} m = (mv^2)

Does this seem right so far?

Now my concern is finding m. I'm not sure how to find the mass of an electron. The value is not given anywhere in my book... I'm really lost and this question is frustrating. If anyone can help I would appreciate it.
 
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You will need to look up the mass of the electron. If it's not in your textbook, check the web. Otherwise, your work looks good.

You might need to reconsider your signs. Left side of your last equation is negative while right side is positive.

(Typo: 5.29x10^11 m would be a pretty large atom.)
 
So would my answer be \sqrt{(kQq)/(rm)} = v where k is constant Q is charge of proton q is charge of electron, r radius m mass??

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Rijad Hadzic said:
So would my answer be \sqrt{(kQq)/(rm)} = v where k is constant Q is charge of proton q is charge of electron, r radius m mass??

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Yes.
 

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