Communicating at Near-Light Speed - Time Dilation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the effects of time dilation on communication at near-light speeds, using hypothetical scenarios involving characters like the Flash or spaceships. Participants examine how relativistic effects, particularly the Doppler shift, influence the perception of communication rates between a moving observer and a stationary one.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how time dilation would affect the perceived communication rate of a moving observer, suggesting that others might perceive the communication as slower than normal.
  • Another participant notes that the relativistic Doppler shift would require the stationary observers to adjust their receivers, indicating that the observed effects depend on the direction of the moving observer.
  • A participant introduces the Lorentz factor for 99% of the speed of light, suggesting that it could be used to analyze the situation further.
  • Some participants recommend drawing spacetime diagrams to visualize the sequence of transmissions and receptions, emphasizing the importance of this method in understanding the communication dynamics.
  • One participant mentions that the scenario of signaling between a circular moving observer and a stationary observer has a lot of symmetry, which could simplify the analysis without extensive computation or diagramming.
  • There is a suggestion to explain both observers' perspectives using the Doppler effect to clarify the nuances involved, particularly regarding transverse Doppler effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the implications of time dilation and the Doppler effect on communication, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the exact outcomes or methods of analysis.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of communication and the effects of relativistic speeds, which may not be fully explored or resolved. The reliance on specific scenarios and the need for visual aids like spacetime diagrams highlight potential limitations in the analysis.

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So, I've been wondering: how would time dilation affect communications?
For the sake of visualisation, imagine the Flash is running at 99% the speed of light in a circle around a fixed position. There's a building in this position, and inside this building are his friends. Due to time dilation, they should be experiencing time at different rates. Assuming the usual problems(wind muffling comms, drag etc.), are a non-issue, and that he is talking to his friends through conventional radio communications, would others perceive him to be talking much slower than normal, if, from his perspective, he was talking at a normal rate? If so, at what rate would he have to talk to be able to communicate with them?

If you'd prefer, you can swap the Flash for a spaceship and the building for an asteroid; like I said, it's just to help with visualisation.
 
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Well, to start off, his friends would have to tune their receiver differently as the radio signal would be affected by relativistic Doppler shift. Exactly what would be observed depends on the direction the Flash is running in.
 
SF Alba said:
So, I've been wondering: how would time dilation affect communications?
For the sake of visualisation, imagine the Flash is running at 99% the speed of light in a circle around a fixed position. There's a building in this position, and inside this building are his friends. Due to time dilation, they should be experiencing time at different rates. Assuming the usual problems(wind muffling comms, drag etc.), are a non-issue, and that he is talking to his friends through conventional radio communications, would others perceive him to be talking much slower than normal, if, from his perspective, he was talking at a normal rate? If so, at what rate would he have to talk to be able to communicate with them?

If you'd prefer, you can swap the Flash for a spaceship and the building for an asteroid; like I said, it's just to help with visualisation.
Taking the spaceship case, the Lorentz factor for 99% of c is about 7. You take it from there.
 
Draw a spacetime diagram with a sequence of periodic transmissions.
Note the receptions.
As mentioned by @Orodruin , this involves the Doppler Effect.
 
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robphy said:
Draw a spacetime diagram with a sequence of periodic transmissions.
Note the receptions.
Seriously, do this.
 
Signalling between circular moving observer and observer at the center of the circle (presumed inertial) is a special case . The situation is stationary with a lot of symmetry (rotation, time translation). Using this, the exact answer can be written down with virtually no computation or diagramming. Nor do you need to worry about Doppler.

After the fact, it is interesting to explain both observers' point of view with proper application of Doppler, helping understand the nuances of transverse Doppler.
 
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