Gauge pressure due to a floating body

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The discussion revolves around the gauge pressure experienced by a floating body, specifically a block of wood in a liquid. The original poster presents reasoning based on Archimedes' principle and the relationship between the pressures at two points, A and B, in the fluid system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the pressures at points A and B are equal through reasoning involving fluid displacement and pressure calculations. Other participants encourage self-reflection on the correctness of the reasoning and emphasize the importance of understanding the problem statement.

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Participants are engaged in validating the original poster's reasoning. Some express confidence in their understanding, while others highlight the potential for error and the importance of thorough reasoning. There is an emphasis on the need for additional plausibility arguments to reinforce the original conclusion.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of ensuring correctness in physics problems, noting that carelessness and gaps in knowledge can lead to mistakes. The discussion reflects a learning environment where questioning and verification are encouraged.

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Homework Statement
Both liquid columns stand to a height ##h## in the diagram below, but the second has a block of wood floating in it. How does the gauge pressure at the point marked ##\mathbf A## differ from the gauge pressure at ##\mathbf B##?
Relevant Equations
Gauge pressure at a depth ##h## inside a liquid is given by : ##P_G = \rho_L gh##, where ##\rho_L## is the density of the liquid.
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My answer : Both pressures are equal, i.e. ##\boxed{P_A = P_B}##.

Reason : (1) The block of wood displaces an amount (mass) of liquid equal to its weight (archimedes' principle for floating bodies, or law of floatation). Hence we can imagine removing the block in the second case and filling it up by water equal to the block's weight. Water would stand to the same height in both the liquid columns and the pressures at A and B would be the same.

The same can be shown in a different way, keeping the block in place.(2)
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Let us divide the total height in the second case into two parts : ##h_1 \rightarrow## the height of the water column only and ##h_2 \rightarrow## the height of the block of wood. The pressure due to water column ##P_1 = \rho_W gh_1##. The pressure due to block ##P_2 = \rho_B g h_2##. [Pressure = (Force) / (area) = (m_B g) / (width_B) = (density_B volume_B g) / (width_B) = density_B h_2 g]. By archimedes' principle, ##P_2 = \rho_W g h'_2## where ##h'_2## is the height of water from the top to the base of the block (clearly ##h'_2 < h_2##). Hence the pressure ##P_B = \rho_W g h_1+ \rho_W g h'_2 = \rho g (h_1 + h'_2) = \rho g h = P_A##.

Is my answer correct?
 
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Can you convince yourself ?
That's more important than an approval stamp from PF (we're not in that business, anyway)
 
yes I am convinced I am right.

But as you know, it's easy to go wrong and not know about it. Sometimes it's carelessness. At other times, there are things we simply didn't know.
 
Stick to your conviction. You read the problem statement correctly. That's the most important part. The math and the physics is straightforward.
 
brotherbobby said:
But as you know, it's easy to go wrong and not know about it. Sometimes it's carelessness. At other times, there are things we simply didn't know.
When one has doubt there are good ways to allay it. In this case can you provide for yourself another good plausability argument (The one you use is good enough for me...). Conversely you could assume that the alternative answer is correct and show it leads to nonsense like perpetual motion.
But in life the answers are not in the back of the book and sometimes lives depend upon getting it right, so it is necessary to this skill as desribed by @BvU in #2. But always ask when necessary!!!
 

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