Comparing the KE of Alpha and Beta particles

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The discussion focuses on the challenges of comparing the kinetic energy of alpha and beta particles, highlighting the importance of clear communication in problem-solving. A participant criticizes the use of a poorly presented image instead of typed equations, emphasizing that efforts should be clearly articulated. The correct approach involves starting with the given relationship between the velocities of the particles and properly substituting values into the kinetic energy formulas. Errors in arithmetic and term cancellation are pointed out, stressing the need for careful work and proper equation formatting. Clear and typed equations are essential for accurate problem-solving in physics discussions.
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If the speed of an alpha particle is 0.5 VB- how does its kinetic energy compare to the kinetic energy of the beta-minus particle?
Relevant Equations
KE = 1/2 mv^2
I try solving it but the answer didn’t match
 

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You are asking people for help by posting a dimly lit SIDEWAYS figure? This is why the rules say that your efforts should be typed, not posted as an image.
 
phinds said:
You are asking people for help by posting a dimly lit SIDEWAYS figure? This is why the rules say that your efforts should be typed, not posted as an image.
I type too
 
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I type too
You could have transcribed the image for us then.

As I make it out, you start with the given from the problem:
$$v_\alpha = 0.5 v_\beta$$
You write down formulas for the kinetic energy of the alpha and for the beta.
$$K_\alpha=\frac{1}{2}m_\alpha v_\alpha^2$$ $$K_\beta=\frac{1}{2}m_\beta v_\beta^2$$
You write a scribble that looks like you want to substitute ##(0.5v_\beta)## in for ##v_\alpha##

You evaluate $$\frac{K_\alpha}{K_\beta}$$
cancelling terms wildly (work not shown) you appear to end up with everything canceled except for ##0.5^2## and decide that $$0.5^2 = 0.125$$
In addition to that arithmetic error, you have canceled two terms that do not cancel.

Ideally, you would have included at least one more equation in your work:$$\frac{K_\alpha}{K_\beta}=\frac{ \frac{1}{2}m_\alpha (0.5 v_\beta)^2}{ \frac{1}{2}m_\beta v_\beta^2}$$ With that equation cleanly written, the cancellation of terms is easy to do and hard to do wrong.
 
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See, @Hemanta, THAT is what I mean by typing.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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