Complex components of stress-energy tensor

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The discussion centers on the evaluation of the components of the stress-energy tensor for a complex scalar field, specifically in the context of the Klein-Gordon equations and their coupling to Einstein's equations. Participants explore the nature of the tensor's components, particularly regarding their reality and symmetry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that not all components of the stress-energy tensor are real, particularly when indices a and b differ, and seeks confirmation of this observation.
  • Another participant argues that all components should be real and suggests that if they are not, there is likely a mistake in the calculations.
  • A participant clarifies that their concern about non-real contributions pertains to different indices c and d, rather than a and b.
  • It is noted that the stress-energy tensor is symmetric, which implies that components with different indices occur in pairs, potentially affecting their reality.
  • Participants mention the importance of using covariant derivatives in curved spacetime, while also acknowledging that in local inertial coordinates, the metric simplifies the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the reality of the components of the stress-energy tensor, with some participants asserting that all components must be real due to symmetry, while others maintain that their calculations suggest otherwise. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the implications of different indices on the reality of the tensor components. There is mention of the need for careful consideration of the metric and the use of covariant derivatives, which may affect the evaluation of the tensor.

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Hi All,
I am evaluating the components of the stress-energy tensor for a (Klein-Gordon) complex scalar field. The ultimate aim is to use these in evolving the scalar field using the Klein-Gordon equations, coupled to Einstein's equations for evolving the geometric part. The tensor is given by
Tab = ½(∂aΦ* ∂bΦ + ∂aΦ ∂bΦ*) - ½gab(gcdcΦ* ∂dΦ + V(|Φ|2))
All indices run from 0 to 3, and Φ* is the complex conjugate of Φ.
Now, evaluating the components of this stress-energy tensor, not all components the stress-energy tensor are real. In particular, when indices a and b are different. I just need to confirm if this observation is correct. The reason being that, part of the simulation code I will use seems to expect a stress-energy tensor with all real components.

Any help and insights will be appreciated.

Thank you
 
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xpet said:
evaluating the components of this stress-energy tensor, not all components the stress-energy tensor are real.

They should be. If they aren't, there's a mistake somewhere.

xpet said:
In particular, when indices a and b are different.

Note that the stress-energy tensor is symmetric, so ##T_{ab} = T_{ba}##. The formula you wrote down should make that easy to prove; but it also should make it easy to see that this symmetry ensures that all of the components are real.

(Another way to see that all the components must be real is to work in local inertial coordinates, where the metric is the Minkowski metric and all of the terms with a and b being different vanish.)

Also note that, in a general curved spacetime, you should be using covariant derivatives, not partial derivatives. (But if you use local inertial coordinates, they are the same.)
 
Thanks for the reply. I am re-doing the calculations again for the components, to see if I get them to be real. Just one correction though: My point about different indices was meant to refer to c and d. Basically, the non-real contributions will come from #gcdc Φ*∂dΦ#
Yes, I'm aware of the symmetry of the tensor, and of the need for replacing the partial derivatives with covariant derivatives in curved spacetimes. I will get back with feedback.
 
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xpet said:
My point about different indices was meant to refer to c and d.

But in a local inertial frame, where the metric is Minkowski, there are no terms where c and d are different. And even in the general case, the metric is symmetric, so terms with different c and d occur in pairs with c and d swapped. If you work it out, you should find that those things imply that all of the stress-energy components are real.
 

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