Complex conjugate on an inner product

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific inner product defined on the set of complex vectors \( C^2 \) satisfies the properties of an inner product. The inner product is given by \( \langle x,y \rangle = x_1 \overline{y_1} + x_2 \overline{y_2} \), where \( x_1, x_2, y_1, y_2 \) are complex numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the verification of the inner product properties, including conjugate symmetry, linearity, and positive definiteness. Some express uncertainty about extending known results from real vectors to complex vectors, particularly regarding the first axiom of the inner product.

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Some participants have provided insights into verifying the inner product properties, while others are questioning the correctness of initial steps in the proof. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply definitions and properties in the context of complex numbers.

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Participants note the need for clarity on the definitions and properties of complex conjugates, as well as the implications of these properties when applied to the inner product in \( C^2 \). There is a recognition of the challenge in transitioning from real to complex vector spaces.

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Homework Statement



Consider the set ##C^2= {x=(x_1,x_2):x_1,x_2 \in C}##.

Prove that ##<x,y>=x_1 \overline{y_1}+x_2 \overline{y_2}## defines an inner product on ##C^2##

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The Attempt at a Solution



##<,y>=\overline {<y,x>}##

##= \overline {y_1x_1} + \overline {y_2x_2}##

I think I need some other information to continue...?

Thanks
 
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bugatti79 said:

Homework Statement



Consider the set ##C^2= {x=(x_1,x_2):x_1,x_2 \in C}##.

Prove that ##<x,y>=x_1 \overline{y_1}+x_2 \overline{y_2}## defines an inner product on ##C^2##

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



##<,y>=\overline {<y,x>}##

##= \overline {y_1x_1} + \overline {y_2x_2}##

I think I need some other information to continue...?

Thanks

verify that this satisfies the definition of an inner product:

##<x,y>=\overline{<y,x>}##
##<x+y,z>=<x,z>+<y,z>##
##<ax,z>=a<x,z>##
##<x,x> \geq 0##
##<x,x>=0 \iff x=0##

for all x,y,z in ##C^2## and for all complex scalars a
 
CornMuffin said:
verify that this satisfies the definition of an inner product:

##<x,y>=\overline{<y,x>}##
##<x+y,z>=<x,z>+<y,z>##
##<ax,z>=a<x,z>##
##<x,x> \geq 0##
##<x,x>=0 \iff x=0##

for all x,y,z in ##C^2## and for all complex scalars a

I can verify the above for x,y,z in ##R^2## but don't know how to extend to the complex field...? Especially the first axiom..

THanks
 
bugatti79 said:
I can verify the above for x,y,z in ##R^2## but don't know how to extend to the complex field...? Especially the first axiom..

THanks

##\overline{x}## means the complex conjugate of ##x##, that is if ##x=a+ib## for ##a,b \in \mathbb{R}## then ##\overline{x} = a-ib##

find ##\overline{<y,x>}## and show that it simplifies to ##x_1\overline{y_1} + x_2\overline{y_2}=<x,y>##
 
bugatti79 said:
##\overline {<y,x>}##

##= \overline {y_1x_1} + \overline {y_2x_2}##
This is wrong. Use the definition you posted, and you'll see that.
 
CornMuffin said:
##\overline{x}## means the complex conjugate of ##x##, that is if ##x=a+ib## for ##a,b \in \mathbb{R}## then ##\overline{x} = a-ib##

find ##\overline{<y,x>}## and show that it simplifies to ##x_1\overline{y_1} + x_2\overline{y_2}=<x,y>##

Fredrik said:
This is wrong. Use the definition you posted, and you'll see that.

1) ##<x,y>=\overline{<y,x>}=\overline{ y_1\overline{x_1}}+\overline { y_2\overline{x_2}}=\overline{y_1}x_1+\overline{y_2}x_2##

2) ##<x+y,z>=(x_1+y_1)\overline{z_1}+(x_2+y_2) \overline{z_2}=x_1\overline {z_1}+y_1\overline {z_1}+x_2\overline {z_2}+y_2\overline {z_2}=<x,z>+<y,z>##

3)##<\alpha x,y>= \alpha x_1 \overline{y_1}+\alpha x_2 \overline{y_2}=\alpha(x_1 \overline{y_1}+x_2\overline{y_2})=\alpha<x,y>##

4)##<x,x>=x_1 \overline{x_1}+x_2 \overline{x_2}=|x_1|^2+|x_2|^2>=0## since by definition ##z \overline{z}=|z|^2>=0## and ##<x,x>=0## iff x=0, that is x1=x2=0...

thanks
 
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2-4 are fine. In part 1, the first equality you wrote down is the one you're trying to prove. This is of course not OK. Your string of equalities should end with =<x,y>, not begin with <x,y>=. The best way to do this is one step at a time, like this:
$$\overline{\langle y,x\rangle} =\overline{y_1\overline{x_1}+y_2\overline{x_2}} =\overline{y_1\overline{x_1}} +\overline{y_2\overline{x_2}} =\overline{y_1}\,\overline{\overline{x_1}} +\overline{y_2}\,\overline{\overline{x_2}}
= \overline{y_1}x_1+\overline{y_2}x_2 =x_1\overline{y_1}+x_2\overline{y_2} =\langle x,y\rangle$$.
 
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Thanks Fredrik for the clarification.
 

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