Complex contour integration problem.

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The discussion revolves around a complex contour integration problem involving integrals of functions with poles. The original poster presents a closed contour integral of the form ∫ (cos(z))/(3z-π) dz and explores the implications of the contour's relation to the poles of the integrand.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the significance of the pole at z=π/3 and its relation to the contour. There are attempts to factor expressions and evaluate integrals around specified contours, with questions about the analytic nature of the integrands within those contours.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the poles and their impact on the integrals. Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the need to consider which poles lie within the contour.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints regarding the specific contours being evaluated, such as |z|=1 and |z|=2, and the implications of these choices on the evaluation of the integrals. Participants are also questioning the setup of functions in relation to the contour integrals.

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Homework Statement



i have the closed ∫ (cos(z))/(3z-π)) dz

Homework Equations



i presume this works closed ∫ f(z)/(z-w) dz = f(w)2πi

The Attempt at a Solution



i think the answer is cos(pi)*2πi
 
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The answer is going to depend on whether your contour encloses the pole or not. But even if it does your answer is wrong. You don't have z-pi in the denominator, you've got 3*z-pi. That makes a difference. Write 3*z-pi=3*(z-pi/3). Now what do you get?
 
i can't believe i didn't factor. now i get 1/3*pi*i
 
KNUCK7ES said:
i can't believe i didn't factor. now i get 1/3*pi*i

That's better. But the answer still depends on the closed contour. I'd feel better if you described what it was.
 
1. evaluate each integral around the counter-clockwise circle lzl =1 repeat for lzl=2.

(a) ∮ cos(z)/(3z-pi) dz, (b) ∮ z /((9-z^2)*(2z-i)) dz

thats all it says. i think that the pole may be not be significant
 
KNUCK7ES said:
1. evaluate each integral around the counter-clockwise circle lzl =1 repeat for lzl=2.

(a) ∮ cos(z)/(3z-pi) dz, (b) ∮ z /((9-z^2)*(2z-i)) dz

thats all it says. i think that the pole may be not be significant

I think it's very significant. The pole in (a) is at z=pi/3. That's outside of the counter-clockwise circle |z|=1. What's the answer in that case?
 
so that would mean that the integrand is analytic in the interior and on the contour, so it would equal 0?
 
KNUCK7ES said:
so that would mean that the integrand is analytic in the interior and on the contour, so it would equal 0?

Yes! Now continue with the other parts and pay attention to which poles are inside of the contour.
 
kk thanks a lot
 
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so being aware of the poles, in the case of (b) we have poles at z=-3,3,i/2. but the only one that matters is the i/2 because it is the only one inside the contour line. my only problem is now trying to get ∮ z/((9-z^2)(2z-i)) dz into the form f(w) ∮ 1/(z-w) dz
 
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KNUCK7ES said:
so being aware of the poles, in the case of (b) we have poles at z=-3,3,i/2. but the only one that matters is the i/2 because it is the only one inside the contour line. my only problem is now trying to get ∮ z/((9-z^2)(2z-i)) dz into the form f(w) ∮ 1/(z-w) dz

Split the expression 1/((9-z^2)(2z-i)) up using partial fractions. Remember that trick? Or even simpler, just put f(z)=z/(9-z^2) and make the expression f(z)/(2z-i).
 
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i did both, and the partial fractions is a little more ugly. but where i became stuck, is that i began to wonder if i had to do it twice the other one being where f(z) = z/(2z-i)
 
  • #13
KNUCK7ES said:
i did both, and the partial fractions is a little more ugly. but where i became stuck, is that i began to wonder if i had to do it twice the other one being where f(z) = z/(2z-i)

I'm not sure where the stuckness comes in. f(z)=z/(9-z^2) is analytic inside of both |z|=1 and |z|=2, isn't it? Just do f(z)/(2z-i). Just apply your theorem to that.
 
  • #14
Dick said:
I'm not sure where the stuckness comes in. f(z)=z/(9-z^2) is analytic inside of both |z|=1 and |z|=2, isn't it? Just do f(z)/(2z-i). Just apply your theorem to that.

i guess my confusion is whether we can set f(z) = z/(9-z^2) OR f(z)= z/(2z-i). but i'd much rather just do z/(2z-i). so i suppose my question is just inquisitive. but i could see it expanded out to something like ∮ 1/(z^2-z+2) dz for lzl=1. in this case it isn't so easy to find an f(x) to set up the nice form of 2*pi*i f(w) from f(w) ∮ 1/(z-w) dz
 
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actually upon further thinking of my question, it would have to have bounds ∮ 1/(z^2-z+2) dz for lzl=1 would be 0 but if i were to extend the radius out to lzl =2 then it gets more interesting
 
  • #16
KNUCK7ES said:
actually upon further thinking of my question, it would have to have bounds ∮ 1/(z^2-z+2) dz for lzl=1 would be 0 but if i were to extend the radius out to lzl =2 then it gets more interesting

How did you get from z/((9-z^2)*(2z-i)) to 1/(z^2-z+2)??
 

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