Complex number equality problem

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The problem involves solving the equation z^5 = z̅, where z is a complex number represented as z = a + bi. The discussion centers around the manipulation of this equation and the implications of using polar representation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss multiplying both sides of the equation by z̅ and question whether this leads to z^6. There are attempts to use polar representation, leading to equations involving trigonometric functions that are noted to be complex to solve without a calculator.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches, including polar forms and trigonometric identities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of multiplying by z and the conditions that arise from the polar representation. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between the components of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted difficulty in solving the resulting equations without a calculator, and some participants express confusion regarding the manipulation of the polar form and the conditions on r and θ.

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Homework Statement


The problem states that you need to solve the following equation (without a calculator) : z^5 = z̅

Homework Equations


z=a+bi and z̅=a-bi

The Attempt at a Solution


So far I've tried multiplying both sides by z̅: z̅ * z^5 = |z̅|^2
(is z̅ * z^5 = z^6 ??) |z|^6 = |z̅|^2

I then divided both sides by |z|^2, but this has lead to an incorrect answer. The answer given is z^6=1 ,
which then leads to a root of unity equation.

Thank you in advance.
 
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v4valour said:
(is z̅ * z^5 = z^6 ??)
No, or more correctly, not necessarily.

What happens when you multiply both sides by z?
(Note that ##z\bar z
= |z|²##)
 
v4valour said:

Homework Statement


The problem states that you need to solve the following equation (without a calculator) : z^5 = z̅

Homework Equations


z=a+bi and z̅=a-bi

The Attempt at a Solution


So far I've tried multiplying both sides by z̅: z̅ * z^5 = |z̅|^2
(is z̅ * z^5 = z^6 ??) |z|^6 = |z̅|^2

I then divided both sides by |z|^2, but this has lead to an incorrect answer. The answer given is z^6=1 ,
which then leads to a root of unity equation.

Thank you in advance.

Have you tried the polar representation ##z = r e^{i \theta}##?
 
Hi
I have tried r5( cos(5 theta) + i sin(5 theta) ) = r( cos(theta) +i sin(theta) ) but this lead to:
cos(5 theta) = cos (- theta) and i sin(5 theta) = i sin(-theta)
which is very difficult to solve without a calculator. Using the polar form results in similarly difficult equations.
Thanks
 
The polar form results in : (reitheta)6=re-itheta
e6itheta=e-i theta
e7itheta=0
cos(7theta) + isin(7theta)=0
 
v4valour said:
The polar form results in : (reitheta)6=re-itheta
The 6 should be 5.
v4valour said:
e6itheta=e-i theta
e7itheta=0
This is wrong
If ##e^{ix}=e^{iy}##, then ##e^{i(x-y)}=1##

Actually, wether you use my hint, or Ray's, you should easily get to the root of unity equation you expect.
 
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v4valour said:
The polar form results in : (reitheta)6=re-itheta
e6itheta=e-i theta
e7itheta=0
cos(7theta) + isin(7theta)=0

The polar form give conditions on both ##r## and ##\theta##, but you have said nothing about ##r##.
 

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