Complex numbers equation/equality

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The discussion revolves around proving an equality involving constants and trigonometric functions, specifically the expression involving cosine functions with phase shifts. The subject area pertains to complex numbers and trigonometric identities.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of trigonometric identities to rewrite the given expression. There are attempts to express the sum of cosines in terms of a single cosine function with a phase shift. Some participants suggest using complex exponentials to facilitate the transformation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing various approaches and questioning the assumptions behind the transformations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of complex numbers and the relationships between coefficients, but no consensus has been reached on the final form of the expression.

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There is an emphasis on deriving a relationship that holds for any values of the cosine and sine functions involved. Participants note the need to equate coefficients and explore the implications of using complex representations.

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Homework Statement .

Prove that, given constants ##A_1,A_2, \phi_1## and ##\phi_2##, there are constants ##A## and ##\phi## such that the following equality is satisfied:

##A_1\cos(kx+\phi_1)+A_2\cos(kx+\phi_2)=A\cos(kx+\phi)##

The attempt at a solution.

I've tried to use the identity ##\cos(u+v)=\cos(u)\cos(v)-\sin(u)\sin(v)##, so

##A_1\cos(kx+\phi_1)+A_2\cos(kx+\phi_2)=A_1[\cos(kx)\cos(\phi_1)-\sin(kx)\sin(\phi_1)]+A_2[\cos(kx)\cos(\phi_2)-\sin(kx)\sin(\phi_2)]##, and then, the expresion on the right equals to

##[A_1\cos(\phi_1)+A_2\cos(\phi_2)]\cos(kx)-[A_1\sin(\phi_1)+A_2\sin(\phi_2)]\sin(kx)##.

I am trying to write this last expression as something of the form ##A\cos(kx+\phi)## but I don't know how to, I would appreciate any suggestion to arrive to the desired expression.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .

Prove that, given constants ##A_1,A_2, \phi_1## and ##\phi_2##, there are constants ##A## and ##\phi## such that the following equality is satisfied:

##A_1\cos(kx+\phi_1)+A_2\cos(kx+\phi_2)=A\cos(kx+\phi)##

The attempt at a solution.

I've tried to use the identity ##\cos(u+v)=\cos(u)\cos(v)-\sin(u)\sin(v)##, so

##A_1\cos(kx+\phi_1)+A_2\cos(kx+\phi_2)=A_1[\cos(kx)\cos(\phi_1)-\sin(kx)\sin(\phi_1)]+A_2[\cos(kx)\cos(\phi_2)-\sin(kx)\sin(\phi_2)]##, and then, the expresion on the right equals to

##[A_1\cos(\phi_1)+A_2\cos(\phi_2)]\cos(kx)-[A_1\sin(\phi_1)+A_2\sin(\phi_2)]\sin(kx)##.

I am trying to write this last expression as something of the form ##A\cos(kx+\phi)## but I don't know how to, I would appreciate any suggestion to arrive to the desired expression.

Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trigonometric_identities#Linear_combinations is the sort of identity you need expressed for real functions. Can you figure out how to derive a similar sort of thing for complex functions? You don't need to actually find the complex magnitude or the phase, you just have to show they exist. I'm actually not sure I can now, it's getting kind of late. So I'm counting on you.
 
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Ok, here's a little more. You already have it in the form of a linear combination of ##sin(kx)## and ##cos(kx)##. Using the definitions of complex sin and cos you could equally well write that as ##C_1 e^{ikz}+C_2 e^{-ikz}##. Now let's introduce a complex phase ##\phi##, by computing it such that ##C_1 e^{-i \phi}=C_2 e^{i \phi}##. Can you see how it goes from here?
 
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Dick said:
Ok, here's a little more. You already have it in the form of a linear combination of ##sin(kx)## and ##cos(kx)##. Using the definitions of complex sin and cos you could equally well write that as ##C_1 e^{ikz}+C_2 e^{-ikz}##. Now let's introduce a complex phase ##\phi##, by computing it such that ##C_1 e^{-i \phi}=C_2 e^{i \phi}##. Can you see how it goes from here?

As you've said, I could express ##[A_1\cos(\phi_1)+A_2\cos(\phi_2)]\cos(kx)-[A_1\sin(\phi_1)+A_2\sin(\phi_2)]\sin(kx)## as ##C1e^{ikx}+C_2e^{-ikx}##, if I call ##k_1=A_1\cos(\phi_1)+A_2\cos(\phi_2)## and ##k_2=A_1\sin(\phi_1)+A_2\sin(\phi_2)##, then ##C_1,C_2## must satisfy ##C_1=\dfrac{k_1-ik_2}{2}## and ##C_2=\dfrac{k_1+ik_2}{2}##.

I didn't get your last suggestion, suppose I find ##\phi## such that ##C_1 e^{-i \phi}=C_2 e^{i \phi}##, and how would this help me to write the original expression in the form ##A\cos(kx+\phi)##? Sorry if it is too obvious.
 
If you write ##A_1 \cos(kx + \phi_1) = A_1\cos\phi_1\cos kx - A_1\sin\phi_1\sin kx = P_1\cos kx + P_2\sin kx## say, and similarly for the other terms, you have to show that the result is true for any value of ##\cos kx## and ##\sin kx##. You can do that by equating the coefficients of ##\cos kx## and ##\sin kx##.

Or, if you use ##e^{ikx} = \cos kx + i\sin kx##, this is the same as equating both the real and imaginary parts of ##e^{ikx}##.
 
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As you've said, I could express ##[A_1\cos(\phi_1)+A_2\cos(\phi_2)]\cos(kx)-[A_1\sin(\phi_1)+A_2\sin(\phi_2)]\sin(kx)## as ##C1e^{ikx}+C_2e^{-ikx}##, if I call ##k_1=A_1\cos(\phi_1)+A_2\cos(\phi_2)## and ##k_2=A_1\sin(\phi_1)+A_2\sin(\phi_2)##, then ##C_1,C_2## must satisfy ##C_1=\dfrac{k_1-ik_2}{2}## and ##C_2=\dfrac{k_1+ik_2}{2}##.

I didn't get your last suggestion, suppose I find ##\phi## such that ##C_1 e^{-i \phi}=C_2 e^{i \phi}##, and how would this help me to write the original expression in the form ##A\cos(kx+\phi)##? Sorry if it is too obvious.

Ok, I'll tell you what the strategy is. Given I can write the expression as ##C_1e^{ikx}+C_2e^{-ikx}##. I would very much like to find a phase ##\phi## such that ##C_1e^{ikx}+C_2e^{-ikx}=De^{i(kx+\phi)}+De^{-i(kx+\phi)}##, what equation would I need to solve for ##\phi##? That actually probably would have been a better clue.
 
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AlephZero said:
If you write ##A_1 \cos(kx + \phi_1) = A_1\cos\phi_1\cos kx - A_1\sin\phi_1\sin kx = P_1\cos kx + P_2\sin kx## say, and similarly for the other terms, you have to show that the result is true for any value of ##\cos kx## and ##\sin kx##. You can do that by equating the coefficients of ##\cos kx## and ##\sin kx##.

Or, if you use ##e^{ikx} = \cos kx + i\sin kx##, this is the same as equating both the real and imaginary parts of ##e^{ikx}##.

All of the coefficients here are complex. So it's not quite the same as equating real and imaginary parts. It's equating coefficients of the linearly independent functions ##e^{ikx}## and ##e^{-ikx}##.
 

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