Complex Quadratic Formula for Complex Numbers

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The discussion revolves around the complex quadratic formula and the solutions to the equation az² + bz + c = 0, where a, b, and c are complex numbers. Participants explore the implications of complex square roots and the definition of principal roots in the context of complex numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the validity of substituting complex square roots into the quadratic equation and question the definition and implications of the principal square root for complex numbers. There is also exploration of how the radical symbol applies to complex numbers and the nature of roots in this context.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the principal square root being explored. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the nature of square roots in the complex plane, while others express confusion about definitions and assumptions. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus on the principal root.

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Participants note that the original problem does not define the square root of complex numbers, leading to confusion about the nature of roots and the implications of choosing a principal root. There is also mention of the arbitrary nature of defining principal roots in the context of complex numbers.

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[SOLVED] Complex Quadratic Formula

Homework Statement
Let a, b and c be complex numbers with a not equal to 0. Show that the solution of az^2 + bz + c = 0 are z_1, z_2 = (-b \pm \sqrt(b^2 - 4ac))/(2a)

The attempt at a solution
I'm assuming z is also complex. Multiplying the equation by 4ac and completing the square yields (2az + b)^2 = b^2 - 4ac There are two complex numbers, w_1, w_2, that are the square roots of b^2 - 4ac so setting 2az_j + b = w_j and solving for z_j yields

z_j = \frac{-b + w_j}{2a}

for j = 1, 2. The section where I got this problem from does not define the square root of a complex numbers; it only talks about the roots of complex numbers. Would it be correct to stop here and consider the problem solved?
 
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How about just putting
\frac{-b+ \sqrt{b^2- 4ac}}{2a}
and
\frac{-b- \sqrt{b^2- 4ac}}{2a}
into the equation az2+ bz+ c= 0 and see what happens?

(I am puzzled about " does not define the square root of a complex numbers; it only talks about the roots of complex numbers". How does it talk about the roots of complex numbers without defining them? In any case, I would think the definition is obvious: a complex number, z, is a square root of the complex number a if and only if z2= a.)
 
My confusion stems from how the radical symbol extends to complex numbers. So the notation \sqrt{z} is the principal square root of z? Which of the two roots is the principal though? The one with the same signs in the real and imaginary part as z?
 
e(ho0n3 said:
My confusion stems from how the radical symbol extends to complex numbers. So the notation \sqrt{z} is the principal square root of z? Which of the two roots is the principal though? The one with the same signs in the real and imaginary part as z?

\sqrt{z}

z is a complex number of the form a+bi


\sqrt{z} is different from a complex number,z, being a root of a quadratic.
 
rock.freak667 said:
\sqrt{z} is different from a complex number,z, being a root of a quadratic.

Yes, I know it is different. That doesn't answer my question.
 
Pick one - the positive one, or the one with a positive imaginary part.

The roots will still be \pm \sqrt{z}.
 
Just as for real numbers, every complex number has two square roots. If z=re^{i\theta}, with r real and positive and -\pi\le\theta<\pi, the two square roots are +\sqrt{r}e^{i\theta/2} and
-\sqrt{r}e^{i\theta/2}. The first of these is usually taken to be the principal root. There is a "branch cut" along the negative real axis; the square root of z changes sign abruptly as z moves across the negative real axis. Although this is the conventional choice, the branch cut could instead be chosen to lie along any line (straight or curved) from 0 to infinity.
 
e(ho0n3 said:
My confusion stems from how the radical symbol extends to complex numbers. So the notation \sqrt{z} is the principal square root of z? Which of the two roots is the principal though? The one with the same signs in the real and imaginary part as z?

Wikipedia says put the branch cut along the negative real axis, so define arg(z) to be between -pi and pi and then define sqrt(z) to be the root with argument arg(z)/2. But that's not the only choice. I think it's better to define what you mean rather than assuming that 'everyone knows'.
 
Since the complex numbers are not an "ordered" field there is no "principle" root except, as Dick says, by some arbitrary choice- that in general cannot be extended to other roots.

And, it is not necessary for the problem you stated. Your problem involves both roots and it doesn't matter which you consider "principle". The only thing you need to know about \sqrt{b^2- 4ac} is that \left(\sqrt{b^2- 4ac}\right)^2= b^2- 4ac.
 
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OK. I think I'm satisfied with the explanations. Thank you everyone.
 

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