Composition of Lorentz pure rotations

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The discussion revolves around the composition of Lorentz pure rotations, specifically focusing on finding the overall rotation angle resulting from the composition of two known rotations, R1 and R2, in the context of spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical framework and implications of these rotations within the Lorentz group and the rotational group SO(3).

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  • One participant seeks to derive a symbolic expression for the angle of the overall rotation resulting from the composition of two Lorentz pure rotations, R1 and R2, given specific conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem can be approached using the normal rotational group SO(3) and recommends looking into the parametrization of SO(3) using Euler angles.
  • A different participant notes that the composition of two general boosts does not yield a boost but rather a combination of a boost and a spatial rotation, referencing a specific treatment of this composition.
  • A participant reiterates the initial inquiry, seeking clarification on whether "Lorentz pure rotations" refers to spatial rotations or boosts, indicating a potential misunderstanding among participants.

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Participants express differing interpretations of "Lorentz pure rotations," with some viewing them as spatial rotations and others as boosts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation and the approach to finding the overall rotation angle.

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There is uncertainty regarding the definitions and assumptions related to Lorentz pure rotations, which may affect the approaches suggested by participants. The mathematical steps involved in deriving the overall rotation angle are not fully resolved.

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Hello,

Given (in spherical coordinates) the resulting 4-vector K of the composition of 2 Lorentz pure rotations R1 and R2, where only R1 is known, I would like to find the angle of the "overall" rotation resulting from this composition.
In other words, I want to find the symbolic expression of the angle of the rotation R when :
R2.R1(U) = R(U) = K
and R2 is a known rotation and K is a known vector (R1, R unknown, U is a vector).

I first thought it would be easy but I have tried several equations and I have also tried to invert some of the rotations to simplify the equation but I should miss some point because I cannot find a reasonable expression (which I know do exist) for this angle.

Any help on that would be highly appreciated!
 
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You actually don't need any reference to the Lorentz group - this is just the normal rotational group SO(3). There are quite some books that cover the parametrization of SO(3). I would suggest to start looking at the represenation of the group SO(3) in terms of so-called Euler angles. (just google it)
 
In general the composition of two general boosts will not itself be a boost, but will be a composition of a boost and a spatial rotation.

The doc

http://faculty.luther.edu/~macdonal/GAGC/GAGC.html

under '2.4.4. Composition of boosts' contains a treatment of an algebraic split of such a boost composition into rapidity and rotation angles ... but perhaps somebody else has a reference for you that is free of the clifford algebra used there.
 
amyadad said:
Hello,

Given (in spherical coordinates) the resulting 4-vector K of the composition of 2 Lorentz pure rotations R1 and R2, where only R1 is known, I would like to find the angle of the "overall" rotation resulting from this composition.
In other words, I want to find the symbolic expression of the angle of the rotation R when :
R2.R1(U) = R(U) = K
and R2 is a known rotation and K is a known vector (R1, R unknown, U is a vector).

I first thought it would be easy but I have tried several equations and I have also tried to invert some of the rotations to simplify the equation but I should miss some point because I cannot find a reasonable expression (which I know do exist) for this angle.

Any help on that would be highly appreciated!

By "Lorentz pure rotations" do you mean spatial rotations, as xepma has interpreted, or boosts, as Peeter has interpreted?
 

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