Compressing a gas; Where does the energy come from?

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic principles involved in compressing a gas, particularly in the context of heat pumps. Participants explore the sources of energy during gas compression and how this relates to the heat energy supplied by the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the energy for heating during gas compression comes from the compression process itself or from the energy already present in the gas.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the compression and heat addition processes are distinct, suggesting that the energy to heat the gas during compression comes from the compressor.
  • A later reply discusses the sizing of a heat pump collector in relation to its coefficient of performance (COP), indicating uncertainty about how much heat is supplied by the source versus the compressor's energy input.
  • One participant asserts that compression introduces external energy into the system, explaining that work done on the gas increases its internal energy due to the interaction of gas molecules with the piston.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the source of energy during gas compression and the role of the heat pump's compressor. There is no consensus on the exact contributions of the heat source and the compressor to the overall heating process.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the thermodynamic processes involved in gas compression and heat transfer remain unaddressed, and there are unresolved questions regarding the physics behind the energy contributions from the heat source and the compressor.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying thermodynamics, heat pump technology, or those curious about the principles of energy transfer in gas compression.

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Hi all,

Question about compressing a gas. When you compress a gas it heats up. Does the compression supply a certain amount of energy to raise the temperature or does the compression merely raise the temperature using the energy that was already present in the gas?

What I am getting at is the compression cycle in a heat pump. How much heat energy is supplied by the source and how much is supplied by the energy input?

I was under the impression that the heat pump took all of the heat energy it needed from its source but needed electrical energy to compress the gas to initiate a phase change allowing it to release the heat.
 
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The compression step and the heat addition step are completely different/separate processes, so just keep them separate: when a gas comes out of a compressor, it is hotter and at a higher temp than when it came in. You might say the compressor squeezed some sensible heat out of the gas, but regardless of how it is worded, the energy to do that came from the compressor.
 
This is what I was getting at but I have since found the answer:

If a 4 kW heat pump (for heating) has a COP of 4 (COP => 1 unit in/4 units out = .25), do you size the collector for 3 kW or 4 kW? Does 100% of the heat get taken from the source and you need 25% electrical energy to convert it into usable heat or does the ground supply 75% of the heat and the compressor supplies the other 25%.


From doing more research I believe you do size it for 3 kW. That the compressor apparently does supply 25% of the heat required for the system. I am still a bit unsure on the (physics) reason why but I don't really need to know why. If anyone can explain it i would still like to know.

Cheers for your response.
 
Compression supplies external energy into the system. Work is force over distance, so it takes work to compress a gas. The force on a piston comes from gas molecules randomly bouncing off the piston. If you push the piston in, the gas molecules will reflect with greater energy than they started with.
 

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