Compton Scattering with Moving Electron

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The discussion revolves around Compton scattering, specifically addressing the derivation of the scattering formula while considering the kinetic energy of electrons in a material, such as lead. The original poster explores how to calculate the wavelength of the scattered photon when the atomic electron is moving towards the incoming X-ray photon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to incorporate the kinetic energy of the electron into the conservation equations but questions the implications of neglecting certain terms. They express confusion regarding the resulting conclusion of no wavelength shift.
  • Some participants suggest using a Lorentz boost to analyze the problem from the electron's rest frame and then transforming back to the lab frame, questioning the original poster's interpretation of the problem's constraints.
  • Others raise concerns about potential errors in the equations set up by the original poster, particularly regarding the conservation of momentum.

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Contextual Notes

Participants note the specific instruction to neglect terms of order K, which raises questions about the validity of that directive given the context of the problem. The original poster's understanding of the problem setup and assumptions is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


Compton's derivation of his scattering formula:
\delta \lambda \equiv \lambda' - \lambda = \frac{hc}{m_e c^2} (1 - cos\theta)
assumed that that the target electrons were at rest. In reality, they are orbiting around nuclei. In a material like lead, the electrons have a kinetic energy as large as K ~ 200 eV.

Suppose that the atomic electron was heading directly toward the incoming X-ray photon. Calculate the wavelength of the scattered photon \lambda'. By how much is this different from the expected Compton shift? Neglect terms of order K,K^2, or the electron momentum squared.


Homework Equations


Conservation of Momentum:
x-direction: p_1 c - p_{e1}c = p_2 c cos(\theta) + p_{e2}c cos\phi
and
y-direction: p_2 c sin\theta = p_{e2}c sin\phi

Conservation of Energy:
p_1 c + \sqrt((p_{e1}c)^2 + (m_e c^2)^2) = p_2 c + \sqrt((p_{e2}c)^2 + (m_e c^2)^2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I think I am setting it up correctly, just adding the kinetic energy of the electron to the energy equations and an initial momentum to the x-direction of the momentum equations.

But if I neglect the terms that it tells me to neglect, then I get p_1 = p_2, which would imply there is no wavelength shift at all, which doesn't seem right.

Would it make more sense to view the post collision frame in a center of momentum frame?
 
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Are you sure the problem said to ignore terms of order K?

I'd probably try to Lorentz boost to the frame where the electron is at rest, use the regular Compton scattering formula, and then transform back to the original lab frame.
 
Thanks for getting back to me.

That's what I ended up doing, and I think it worked out.

I suppose the ignore order K on the sheet may have been a mistake...otherwise, it seems the problem reduces too much. If I did want to go about it the same way Compton did, was I on the right track, though?
 
Well, I think Compton would have done it the easy way by transforming to the electron rest frame. :wink:

In your lab-frame equations, I think you have a sign error in the conservation of momentum equation for the x-direction.
 

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