Computing a centralizer in D_8

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The discussion revolves around computing the centralizer of a subset \( A = \{1,r^2,s,sr^2\} \) within the dihedral group \( D_8 \). Participants explore group theory concepts, particularly focusing on the structure and properties of \( D_8 \) and its elements.

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  • Some participants attempt to determine the order of the centralizer \( C_{D_8}(A) \) by analyzing the relationship between \( A \) and the center \( Z(D_8) \). Others question the notation and the implications of the group order, specifically regarding the size of \( D_8 \) and its elements.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide insights into the structure of \( A \) as a Klein four-group and its implications for the centralizer. There is a mix of confidence in the reasoning presented, with some expressing uncertainty about the computations involved.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to compute the centralizer without complete multiplication verification. There is also mention of differing notational conventions regarding the dihedral group.

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Homework Statement


If ##A = \{1,r^2,s,sr^2 \}##, compute ##C_{D_8}(A)##

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So I am not exactly sure what is the best way to do this, but here is what I tried. From previous problems I know that ##Z(D_8) = \{1, r^2 \}##. So ##Z(G) \le C_{D_8}(A) \le D_8##, so the order of ##C_{D_8}(A)## can only be 2, 4, or 8. It's not 8 since we can compute directly that ##r \not \in C_{D_8}(A)##. It's not 2 since we can compute directly that ##s \in C_{D_8}(A)##. So the order is 4. And since by computation we see that ##sr^2 \in C_{D_8}(A)##, we have that ##C_{D_8}(A) = A##.
 
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How to read the index? I only know the notation ##|D_n|=2n## but I assume you mean ##|D_8|=8##.
 
fresh_42 said:
How to read the index? I only know the notation ##|D_n|=2n## but I assume you mean ##|D_8|=8##.
I am using the notation that ##|D_{2n}| = 2n##, which is what's used in Dummit and Foote.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


If ##A = \{1,r^2,s,sr^2 \}##, compute ##C_{D_8}(A)##

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The Attempt at a Solution


So I am not exactly sure what is the best way to do this, but here is what I tried. From previous problems I know that ##Z(D_8) = \{1, r^2 \}##. So ##Z(G) \le C_{D_8}(A) \le D_8##, so the order of ##C_{D_8}(A)## can only be 2, 4, or 8. It's not 8 since we can compute directly that ##r \not \in C_{D_8}(A)##. It's not 2 since we can compute directly that ##s \in C_{D_8}(A)##. So the order is 4. And since by computation we see that ##sr^2 \in C_{D_8}(A)##, we have that ##C_{D_8}(A) = A##.
Maybe correct, maybe not. You haven't done the multiplications, and I'm too lazy to do it again.

What I have observed is, that ##A## is the Klein four-group ##V_4 \cong \mathbb{Z}_2^2##. Since ##D_8## (I really don't like this notation) isn't Abelian and ##V_4## normal in ##D_8##, we have ##D_8 \cong V_4 \rtimes \mathbb{Z}_2 = A \rtimes \mathbb{Z}_2##. Since ##V_4## is Abelian, we have ##D_8 \supsetneq C_{D_8}(A) \supseteq A## and therefore by Lagrange ##C_{D_8}(A)=A##.
 
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