Conceptual Questions/Eigenvectors and Eigenvalues

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of eigenvectors and eigenvalues, particularly focusing on the geometric interpretation of eigenvectors through reflection in the xy-plane. Participants are examining the properties of normal vectors and vector equations related to lines in this context.

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  • Participants are questioning the definition and properties of the normal vector associated with the line x-y=0, and how it relates to the vector equation of a line. There are inquiries about the derivation of the vector equation and the reasoning behind the relationship between points Q, P, and M in the context of symmetry.

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Some participants are providing clarifications and visual suggestions, such as drawing diagrams to better understand the relationships between the points and vectors. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties without a clear consensus on the interpretations being discussed.

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Participants are navigating through the definitions and properties of vectors and lines, with some expressing confusion over the terminology and mathematical relationships presented in the original problem. There is an acknowledgment of multiple interpretations of the concepts involved.

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This is how the book introduced eigenvectors:

In the xy-plane let us find a point of reflection [tex]Q[/tex] of a general point [tex]P = (a,b)[/tex] in the line [tex]y = x[/tex]. The line [tex]x-y = 0[/tex] has a normal vector [tex]<-1, 1>[/tex] and so a vector equation of the straight line through [tex]P[/tex] and perpendicular to [tex]y = x[/tex] is given by [tex]<x,y> = t<1,-1> + <a,b> = <a+t,b-t>[/tex]. The point of intersection [tex]M = (x,y)[/tex] of the two lines is obtained from [tex]a+t = b-t[/tex] or [tex]t = \frac{1}{2}(b-a)[/tex]. Thus [tex]M = (\frac{1}{2}(a+b), \frac{1}{2}(a+b))[/tex]. The point [tex]Q = (b,a)[/tex] because [tex]\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} +2\vec{PM}[/tex]. Thus [tex]w = Av[/tex] where [tex]A[/tex] is the identity matrix.

I do not get how the normal vector of [tex]x-y = 0[/tex] is [tex]<1,-1>[/tex]. Isn't that saying that the x-component is 1 and the y-component is -1? Also how did they get the vector equation [tex]<x,y> = t<1,-1> + <a,b>[/tex]? Finally, why does [tex]\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} +2\vec{PM}[/tex]?

Thanks
 
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This is how the book introduced eigenvectors:

In the xy-plane let us find a point of reflection [tex]Q[/tex] of a general point [tex]P = (a,b)[/tex] in the line [tex]y = x[/tex]. The line [tex]x-y = 0[/tex] has a normal vector [tex]<-1, 1>[/tex] and so a vector equation of the straight line through [tex]P[/tex] and perpendicular to [tex]y = x[/tex] is given by [tex]<x,y> = t<1,-1> + <a,b> = <a+t,b-t>[/tex]. The point of intersection [tex]M = (x,y)[/tex] of the two lines is obtained from [tex]a+t = b-t[/tex] or [tex]t = \frac{1}{2}(b-a)[/tex]. Thus [tex]M = (\frac{1}{2}(a+b), \frac{1}{2}(a+b))[/tex]. The point [tex]Q = (b,a)[/tex] because [tex]\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} +2\vec{PM}[/tex]. Thus [tex]w = Av[/tex] where [tex]A[/tex] is the identity matrix.

I do not get how the normal vector of [tex]x-y = 0[/tex] is [tex]<1,-1>[/tex]. Isn't that saying that the x-component is 1 and the y-component is -1? Also how did they get the vector equation [tex]<x,y> = t<1,-1> + <a,b>[/tex]? Finally, why does [tex]\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} +2\vec{PM}[/tex]?

Thanks
 
sherlockjones said:
I do not get how the normal vector of [tex]x-y = 0[/tex] is [tex]<1,-1>[/tex].


Draw a picture: the line x-y=0 goes a bit like this /, so its normal goes a bit like \.


Isn't that saying that the x-component is 1 and the y-component is -1? Also how did they get the vector equation [tex]<x,y> = t<1,-1> + <a,b>[/tex]?

Because that is the equation of a line through (a,b) and parallel to (1,-1): it certainly goes through that point, and can be seen to go in the right direction, again, by drawing a diagram.

Finally, why does [tex]\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} +2\vec{PM}[/tex]?


My advice once more is: draw a picture: draw the lines, the points, the line segments and just look at the picture to see what's going on.
 
sherlockjones said:
This is how the book introduced eigenvectors:



I do not get how the normal vector of [tex]x-y = 0[/tex] is [tex]<1,-1>[/tex]. Isn't that saying that the x-component is 1 and the y-component is -1?
Yes, that's exactly what it is saying. x-y= 0 is the same as y= x. Any vector in the direction of that line must have y component equal to x component: one such vector is <1, 1>. Any normal vector to that line must have dot product with that vector equal to 0: one such vector is <1, -1> since then the dot product is 1(1)+ (-1)(1)= 0. By the way, note that your quote does not say the normal vector, it says a normal vector. There are an infinite number of normal vectors to a line.

Also how did they get the vector equation [tex]<x,y> = t<1,-1> + <a,b>[/tex]?
Presumably, you have already learned that a vector equation for a line in the direction of vector <A, B>, through the point (x0, y0) is of the form t<A,B>+ <x0,y0>. t just measures the "distance" along the line from the point (x0,y0) to the point (x,y).

Finally, why does [tex]\vec{OQ} = \vec{OP} +2\vec{PM}[/tex]?
Remember that you are trying to find the point Q "symmetric" to P in the line y= x. That is, it lies on the normal line PQ with distance MQ equal to distance PM. To go from P to Q you would travel the vector [itex]\vec{PM}[/itex] and then the vector [itex]\vec{MQ}[/itex]. But, by symmetry, the two vectors are equal! [itex]\vec{PM}= \vec{MQ}[/itex] and so [itex]\vec{PQ}= 2\vec{PM}[/itex]. Of course, to go from O to Q you could go from O to P and then from P to Q: [itex]\vec{OQ}= \vec{OP}+ \vec{PQ}= \vec{OP}+ 2\vec{PM}[/itex].
 
This was posted in both the homework and mathematics sections so I merged the threads.

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