Conceptual questions on linear algebra

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The discussion revolves around conceptual questions in linear algebra, specifically focusing on linear transformations, their ranges, and kernels. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these concepts without providing definitive solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the requirements for finding the range of a linear transformation without a corresponding matrix. They also seek confirmation on their approach to finding the matrix representation of a linear transformation given specific matrices.
  • Some participants question the clarity of the original poster's first question and suggest that additional information about the linear transformation is necessary to determine the range.
  • Others provide examples to illustrate how to determine the range of a linear operator, raising further questions about the implications of their findings.
  • One participant raises a new question regarding the kernel of a specific linear transformation, seeking validation for their reasoning.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and examples to clarify concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the determination of ranges and kernels, and there is a productive exchange of ideas. However, no explicit consensus has been reached on the original poster's first question.

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Participants note that the lack of a matrix representation for the linear transformation complicates the determination of the range. There are also references to specific vector spaces and polynomial degrees that frame the discussion.

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Hi all. I have two questions (and two attempts) which I hope you can answer.

1) When I have a linear transformation L : V -> W, and I am asked to find the range (image) of this transformation, what is it exactly I am required to do? (I am not given the matrix A that corresponds to this transformation). Is the range simply the set of functions we get from our transformation L(x)? Sadly, my book doesn't give a proper answer.

2) I have four matrices that span out a vector space W. The four matrices are 2x2 matrices, and they are:

A_1 = (1 0 , 0 0) - (that is 1 0 in top, 0 0 in bottom).
A_2 = (0 1 , 0 0)
A_3 = (0 0 , 1 0)
A_4 = (0 0 , 0 1).

We have another matrix A = (a b , c d) and a linear transformation F : W -> W given by:

F(X) = AX-XA, X is a matrix in W.

I have to find the matrix for F with respect to the basis W spanned by A_1 .. A_4. What I did was to find F(A_1) up to F(A_4) and then express this result as a linear combination of A_1 to A_4, e.g.:

F(A_1) = 0*A_1 - b*A_2 + c*A_3 - 0*A_4. Then (0,-b,c,0)^T is the first column in my matrix. This gives me a 4x4 matrix - is this approach correct?

Thanks in advance,
sincerely Niles.
 
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Part 2) is just fine. The first question is a little unclear. If you are not given a matrix then you need to be told 'something' about the linear transformation. Then you need to use that 'something' to deduce which elements of W can be expressed in the form L(v) for v in V. It's hard to be more specific.
 
Part 2: Great :-)

Part 1: I can take an example from my book. A linear operator on P_3 (the vector space spanned by polynomials with degree less than three) is given by:

L(p(x)) = p(x) - p'(x).

To determine the image/range of L, I would do this:

L(p(x)) = ax^2+bx+c - 2ax+b = ax^2 + (2ax+b)x + (b+c). Can I say that this is the range?
 
Niles said:

Homework Statement


Hi all. I have two questions (and two attempts) which I hope you can answer.

1) When I have a linear transformation L : V -> W, and I am asked to find the range (image) of this transformation, what is it exactly I am required to do? (I am not given the matrix A that corresponds to this transformation). Is the range simply the set of functions we get from our transformation L(x)? Sadly, my book doesn't give a proper answer.
The range of any function is the set of all possible "values" of the function. In particular, if a L is a linear transformation (linear function) from V to W, then the Image of L is defined as the set of all w in W such that L(v)= w for some v in V. How you would determine that range depends on exactly how you are "given" V. One example, that does not require a "matrix", is the differentiation operator, D, from the vector space of polynomials of degree 2 or less to itself: any "v" is of the form ax^2+ bx+ c and D(ax^2+ bx+ c)= ax+ b. The range is the set of all polynomials of degree 1 or less.

2) I have four matrices that span out a vector space W. The four matrices are 2x2 matrices, and they are:

A_1 = (1 0 , 0 0) - (that is 1 0 in top, 0 0 in bottom).
A_2 = (0 1 , 0 0)
A_3 = (0 0 , 1 0)
A_4 = (0 0 , 0 1).

We have another matrix A = (a b , c d) and a linear transformation F : W -> W given by:

F(X) = AX-XA, X is a matrix in W.

I have to find the matrix for F with respect to the basis W spanned by A_1 .. A_4. What I did was to find F(A_1) up to F(A_4) and then express this result as a linear combination of A_1 to A_4, e.g.:

F(A_1) = 0*A_1 - b*A_2 + c*A_3 - 0*A_4. Then (0,-b,c,0)^T is the first column in my matrix. This gives me a 4x4 matrix - is this approach correct?

Thanks in advance,
sincerely Niles.
A standard way of writing a linear transformation as a matrix in a specific basis[/itex] is to apply the linear transformation to each of the basis vectors, writing the result in terms of the basis. The coefficients in each of those form a column of the matrix.
F(A_1)= AA1- A1A=
\left[\begin{array}{cc}a & 0 \\ c & 0\end{array}\right]-\left[\begin{array}{cc}a & b \\ 0 & 0\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{cc} 0 & -b \\ c & 0\end{array}\right]
That can be written as -bA_2 + cA_3. The first column is [0 -b c 0]. Yes, that's exactly what you did and exactly what you got!


Apparently you got this in while I was typing my response:
Part 1: I can take an example from my book. A linear operator on P_3 (the vector space spanned by polynomials with degree less than three) is given by:

L(p(x)) = p(x) - p'(x).

To determine the image/range of L, I would do this:

L(p(x)) = ax^2+bx+c - 2ax+b = ax^2 + (2ax+b)x + (b+c). Can I say that this is the range?
A little more calculation: L(p(x))= (3a)x^2+ bx+ (b+c). Since a, b, c can be any real numbers, 3a, b, and b+ c can be any real numbers. The range is just P_3 itself.

Notice, by the way, that the kernel of L is all polynomials in P_3 such that L(p)= 3ax^2+ bx+ b+c= 0. That requires that 3a= 0, b= 0, b+c= 0 so a= b= c= 0. The kernel is just {0}. Notice that the sum of the dimensions of the Kernel and Image is 3+ 0= 3, the dimension of P_3. It is, in general, true that if L:V->W, then the dimension of the kernel of L plus the dimension of the image of L is equal to the dimension of V.
 
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First I want to thank you for your very thorough reply, which was very helpful.

I have one last issue: I want to try and find the kernel of L(p(x)) = p(0)*x+p(1). What I did was:

ker L is L(p(x)) = p(0)*x+p(1) = c*x + (a+b+c) = 0. So all the polynomials that makes c*x + (a+b+c) = 0 is the kernel of L. Since c = 0, I get that a = -b - is this correct?

Again, thank you both for taking the time to help.
 
Niles said:
First I want to thank you for your very thorough reply, which was very helpful.

I have one last issue: I want to try and find the kernel of L(p(x)) = p(0)*x+p(1). What I did was:

ker L is L(p(x)) = p(0)*x+p(1) = c*x + (a+b+c) = 0. So all the polynomials that makes c*x + (a+b+c) = 0 is the kernel of L. Since c = 0, I get that a = -b - is this correct?

Again, thank you both for taking the time to help.

Exactly right.
 

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