Conductors with off-centered cavity

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The discussion revolves around the electric field lines outside an uncharged solid spherical conductor with an off-centered cavity when a charge is placed inside the cavity. Participants explore the implications of Gauss's law and the uniqueness of electric fields in this context, focusing on theoretical aspects rather than practical applications or homework problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the electric field lines outside the conductor can be quantitatively expressed using Gauss's law, regardless of the charge's position within the cavity.
  • Another participant suggests that the uniqueness of the electric field can be applied to argue that the location of the cavity does not affect the external electric field.
  • Some participants assert that the induced charge on the conductor will adjust to maintain equilibrium, leading to an external electric field similar to that of a uniformly charged sphere.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of symmetry arguments to solve surface integrals related to the electric field, with questions raised about how to establish this symmetry in the presence of an uneven charge distribution.
  • One participant claims that the outer surface of the conductor acts as an equipotential surface, implying that the potential outside the sphere is uniquely defined and independent of the internal cavity's configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Gauss's law is applicable and that the external electric field is unaffected by the cavity's position. However, there is disagreement regarding the symmetry of the charge distribution and the implications of uniqueness in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the induced charge distribution on the outer surface of the conductor may not be uniform, raising questions about how to apply symmetry arguments effectively. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrostatics, particularly in understanding the behavior of electric fields in conductors with non-standard geometries.

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Suppose we had an uncharged solid spherical conductor with radius R, and some spherical cavity of radius a that is located b units above R, where a+b<R. If we place a charge inside the cavity at the center, how would you quantitatively express the E-field lines outside of the conductor?
 
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This is NOT a homework. Concentric cavities are too easy. I'm wondering if we can somehow apply uniqueness here to show that it actually doesn't matter where the cavity is...
 
The E field is easy to find using Gauss's law . And it doesn't matter where the charge is inside the sphere or the shape of the cavity.
 
cragar said:
The E field is easy to find using Gauss's law . And it doesn't matter where the charge is inside the sphere or the shape of the cavity.
Exactly. You can kind of reason it out in a way, by knowing that charges like to stay on the very outside of a conductor. Think about it, say you've got a positive charge inside that off-centre cavity. That charge is going to pull negative charges towards the inner surface of that cavity to balance it out. Then, to balance out those negative charges in the conductor, positive charges are going to show up on the outside of the sphere (regardless of where the cavity is), and they'll create an electric field outside the sphere exactly the same as if you had just a charged sphere.

You can use Gauss' Law to prove every part of that by setting up surfaces just outside the cavity and just outside the sphere and using the relation:

\Phi_E = \int\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{A} = \frac{q_{enclosed}}{\epsilon_0}

Where you know \vec{E} = 0 inside the conductor.
 
True. But to solve that surface integral simply one must apply a symmetry argument. How do you arrive about that symmetry? The induced charge will not be evenly distributed on the outside of the sphere, but is there a way to apply uniqueness to arguing that?
 
The outer surface of the conductor will be an equipotential surface of radius R. An outside potential phi=Q/r satisfies this boundary condition. It is thus the unique potential outside the sphere.
It doesn't matter what goes on in cavities within the conduciting sphere.
 

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