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The operator H defined as H = i(n_+ N_- + n_- N_+) is not Hermitian due to the non-commutation of the raising/lowering operators N_± with the spherical harmonics n_0 and n_±. The confusion arises from the definitions of l and m, which typically represent the angular momentum quantum number and its projection, respectively, but may not apply in the context of diatomic molecules. In such cases, the operators do not behave as expected, and the assumption of proportionality in the action of N_± on the spherical harmonics is incorrect. Additionally, the matrix elements calculated yield different results because the underlying quantum mechanics of diatomic molecules complicate the relationships between these operators. Understanding these nuances is crucial for correctly interpreting the matrix elements in this context.
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Hello! My questions is in the context of a matrix element in a diatomic molecule. I will rephrase it as well as I can to remove any non needed complexity. I denote the sperical harmonic ##Y_m^l = |m,l>##. I have the operators ##n_{0} = Y_1^0## and ##n_{\pm 1} = Y_1^{\pm 1}##. I also define the operator ##\mathbf{N}## which is the raising/lowering operators for ##|m,l>##. For example, ##N_+|m,l>\propto |m,l+1>## (the prefactors don't matter for my question). Now, I build the operator ##H = i(n_+N_- + n_-N_+)##. If I calculate the matrix element ##<0,0|n_+N_- + n_-N_+|1,0> = <0,0|n-|1,1> + <0,0|n+|1,-1> = 2<0,0|n+|1,-1> ##, which is some non-zero value. However, if I calculate ##<1,0|n_+N_- + n_-N_+|0,0>## I get zero, simply because ##N_{\pm 1} = |0,0> = 0##. What am I doing wrong? This is a Hermitian operator so the 2 matrix elements should be the same. What am I missing?
 
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Malamala said:
This is a Hermitian operator so the 2 matrix elements should be the same. What am I missing?
Your operator ##H=i(n_+ N_- + n_- N_+)## is not Hermitian. This is because the ''raising/lowering'' operators ##N_\pm## act on the spherical harmonics, and since your ##n_0## and ##n_\pm## are spherical harmonics themselves, the operators ##N_\pm## do not commute with ##n_0## and ##n_\pm## . Compute ##H^\dagger## to see this.

More importantly, you did not specify what you mean by ##l## and ##m## in your question. However, the standard convention found throughout the literature is that, rather, ##l## denotes the angular momentum quantum number while ##m## is the angular momentum projection quantum number (the projection onto some "Z-axis"). The spherical harmonics, which I will denote as ##Y_{l,m} \equiv |l,m\rangle##, are the eigenfunctions of the angular momentum operators: ##\mathbf{L}^2## and ##L_z##. Now, both of these operators commute with the Hamiltonian of, e.g., the hydrogen atom. But if you are interested in diatomic molecules:
Malamala said:
My questions is in the context of a matrix element in a diatomic molecule.
then you must remember that ##\mathbf{L}^2## do not commute with the molecular Hamiltonian (only the operator ##L_z## does). So for a diatomic molecule, you do not even have a well-defined notion of a quantum number ##l## ##-## assuming, of course, that you are referring in your question to the orbital anguar momentum of the molecular electrons. If this is the case, then the "raising/lowering" operators do not act in a way that you assumed in your question (the result is not a proportionality, which you denoted by "##\propto##").
 
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