Confused about using the integral and infinitesimal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of using infinitesimals to derive the volume of a sphere, specifically without relying on the standard integral formula. Participants explore various approaches and proofs related to this topic, including geometric interpretations and the use of infinitesimal thickness in calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the requirement to derive the volume of a sphere using infinitesimals, questioning whether this relates to Gauss and noting their self-taught background in calculus.
  • Another participant suggests that clarifying the exact wording of the question might be beneficial for understanding.
  • A third participant provides a link to a resource that discusses approximating the volume of a sphere by dividing it into infinitesimal cubes, mentioning the known area of a cross-section (disk) and the concept of stacking disks with decreasing height.
  • Further, a participant elaborates on the method of finding the volume of infinitesimally thick spherical shells, explaining that the shell area remains consistent as the thickness approaches infinitesimal values.
  • One participant proposes that considering the volume of a sphere as twice that of half a sphere simplifies the derivation for one "slice."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the volume of a sphere using infinitesimals, with multiple perspectives and methods being discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of clarity in the original question, potential assumptions about prior knowledge of calculus, and the varying interpretations of how to apply infinitesimals in this context.

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I don't understand what is meant by "derive the formula for finding the volume of a sphere that uses infinitesimals but not the standard formula for the integral"?
Is this talking about Gauss or what? I'm completely self taught in calculus and I did three proofs already... the old cylinder / cone proof, and the other two used the standard formula for the integral.. Even any link to something that explains this would help. I'm only aware of 7 proofs and I don't get how any of them meet both criteria..? Thanks!
 
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Possibly the exact wording of the question would help.
 
Yup, as Hector is alluding to, you need to find the thickness of spherical shells. If you find the area of a shell and then multiply by a infinitessimal thickness you get the volume of the infinitessimally thick shell. Integrate these shell volumes to find the volume of the sphere. The idea to realize is that since the thickness of the shell is infinitessimal the shell area is the same in the inner and outer surface of the shell. as the thickness of the shell decreases the inner surface and outer surface areas get closer together. So for an infinitessimal thickness they are the same area.
 
I would start by observing that the volume of a sphere is twice the volume of half a sphere. This makes the formula for one "slice" much simpler.
 

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