Confusion over line integrals, Green's Theoreom, Conservative fields

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The discussion clarifies misconceptions regarding line integrals, Green's Theorem, and conservative fields. It establishes that while the path integral of a conservative field is zero when the start and end points are identical, this does not imply that all independent path integrals equal zero. Additionally, it emphasizes that Green's Theorem is not used to calculate the area enclosed by a curve, but rather relates the line integral around a closed curve to a double integral over the region it encloses.

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  • Understanding of line integrals and their properties
  • Familiarity with Green's Theorem and its applications
  • Knowledge of conservative vector fields
  • Concept of piecewise smooth curves in ℝ2
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Folks,

1) If we have [itex]\int F \cdot dr[/itex] that is independent of the path, does that mean that the integral will always be 0?

2) For 2 dimensional problems when we evaluate line integrals directly and use Greens Theorem for every piece wise smooth closed curves C, arent we always calculating the area of the curve regardless what the functions f(x,y) and g(x,y) are in

[itex]\int_C F \cdot dr = \int_C f(x,y) dx + g(x,y) dy[/itex]

3) What is the definition of a 'smooth' curve?
 
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bugatti79 said:
Folks,

1) If we have [itex]\int F \cdot dr[/itex] that is independent of the path, does that mean that the integral will always be 0?

No, but the path integral of a conservative field would always be 0 if the start and end points are the same.

bugatti79 said:
2) For 2 dimensional problems when we evaluate line integrals directly and use Greens Theorem for every piece wise smooth closed curves C, arent we always calculating the area of the curve regardless what the functions f(x,y) and g(x,y) are in

[itex]\int_C F \cdot dr = \int_C f(x,y) dx + g(x,y) dy[/itex]

Curves do not have area. The area enclosed by a curve C (let's call this region D) in ℝ2, [itex]\int_D da[/itex], is not what you would be calculating to use Green's Theorem.

Just like, in general a single integral is not equal to the length of the integration.

[itex]\int ^{b} _{a} dx[/itex] is not in general the same as [itex]\int ^{b} _{a} f(x) dx[/itex]
 
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