Confusion over Pascal's Experiment

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The discussion centers around Pascal's barrel experiment, focusing on the qualitative understanding of how hydrostatic pressure is generated by a column of water in a narrow pipe and its effects on the barrel. Participants explore the implications of pressure in fluids and the mechanics behind the experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how a small mass of water in a narrow pipe can exert significant pressure, questioning the mechanics behind Pascal's experiment.
  • Another participant explains that pressure is defined as force per unit area and describes how to calculate the pressure exerted by the water in the pipe using the formula P = ρgh, emphasizing that the pressure increases with height.
  • A third participant offers a conceptual analogy, suggesting that if the barrel were extended upwards instead of using a narrow pipe, the pressure would still be the same, reinforcing the idea that pressure is uniform across the surface of the liquid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the qualitative understanding of the experiment, as some express confusion while others provide explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the intuitive grasp of the concepts involved.

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Some participants rely on specific assumptions about fluid mechanics and hydrostatic pressure without addressing potential limitations or alternative interpretations of the experiment.

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I have been trying to understand pascal's barrel experiment in a more qualitative sense but I can't get my head around it at all. Pascal supposedly had a strong wooden barrel which he attached onto it a very thin pipe which was 20m tall. He then poured water into the top of the pipe until both the barrel and pipe were filled. The outcome of the experiment was that the barrel burst due to the pressure generated by the pipe. If the pipe was 20m high then this would generate 20m of hydrostatic pressure apparently?! How does this work? I know quantitatively that it needs to work as there is no volume term in the pressure equation (P = ρgh). How can such a tiny mass of liquid exert so much pressure? Apparently the pipe was only 0.4cm wide! It almost seems like your getting a huge amount of pressure from almost nothing. If anybody can help explain how this experiment works that would be great!
 
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"pressure" is the force applied to a surface divided by the area of the surface. Now, water, or any "fluid", applies the same force in any direction (that is, essentially, the definition of "fluid".). We can calculate the force the water in the pipe applies to an imaginary surface, of area A, the cross section area of the pipe, at the bottom of the pipe by calculating the weight of the water in the pipe: density times volume. Because the volume is "cross section area times length" that volume is Ah where h is the height of the pipe, the weight of water pressing on that surface is [itex]g\rho Ah[/itex] where "g" is the acceleration due to gravity (about 9.81 m/s^2) and [itex]\rho[/itex] is the density of water. We get the pressure by dividing that by the area, A: [itex]g\rho h[/itex].

Now, the point is that the pressure at each point in the barrel is [itex]g\rho h[/itex] (actually slightly more as we go down into the barrel because we are not taking the weight of the additional water in the barrel into account- but certainly "at least" that value. If the side area of the barrel is B, then the total force on the sides of the barrel is (at least) [itex]g\rho hB[/itex] which can be very large. You do the calculations.
 
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A hand-waving approach. Suppose the barrel is straight-sided: a cylinder. I imagine you'd find it less hard to accept that the barrel would burst if, instead of the narrow tube, the pressure were provided simply by extending the barrel upwards, i.e by making the head of water wide as well as just tall? Well, with the narrow 'header' tube full of water, the pressure just under the lid of the barrel will be the same all the way across the lid, and the same as the pressure at the bottom of the 'header tube'. So the water pushes on the lid of the barrel, and the lid of the barrel pushes back on the water with the same force that a column of water as wide as the barrel would push!
 
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Thanks for your time guys, those answers really helped me to understand!
 

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