Longitudinal waves and vector potentials.

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The discussion revolves around the potential mathematical connection between longitudinal waves and vector potentials, exploring theoretical aspects and implications in various physical contexts. Participants are seeking resources and insights into this relationship, particularly in relation to electromagnetic theory and other physical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in finding materials that connect longitudinal waves with vector potentials, noting that traditional physical systems do not typically require such a treatment.
  • The same participant suggests that if a connection exists, it may involve a non-vanishing divergence of the vector potential field, potentially leading to longitudinal modes.
  • Another participant mentions the Proca action, which describes a "massive EM" field that includes longitudinal polarization and a four-vector potential, suggesting it as a relevant direction for exploration.
  • A different participant points out that electric field waves in an anisotropic medium can have a longitudinal component, indicating that the D vector is generally a transverse wave while the electric field is not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the connection between longitudinal waves and vector potentials, with multiple viewpoints and suggestions presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between longitudinal waves and vector potentials, with participants acknowledging the limitations of current understanding and the need for further mathematical exploration.

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Hello,
I was wondering if anybody knew of any material (books, papers etc..) which considers a possible connection between longitudinal waves and vector potentials, at least mathematically. I have been scouting about, but failed to find anything substantial. I understand that there seems to be no need for such a treatment in the common physical systems which display longitudinal modes - these being associated with oscillating pressure/density variations of a medium from equilibrium. In these setups, one is concerned with bare "canonical type" momenta as constituting the wave motion, vector potentials being irrelevant. Also in standard electromagnetic theory, one is concerned with transverse waves, and the fact there are no longitudinal modes is reflected (as I "understand" it anyway) in the validity of the Coulomb gauge. Although there may be no present physical setup which gives rise to longitudinal mode solutions resulting from certain vector potential field properties (I'm thinking of vector potentials generally, not strictly of the common dynamic E-M field type), I was wondering if someone had come across any form of mathematics which describes or hints at such a connection. I imagine that if such a connection were to exist, the longitudinal modes would require a non vanishing divergence of the vector potential field, which oscillates in magnitude over space and time. Just as the longitudinal modes associated with sound are scalar waves due to density variations, an oscillating ##\nabla\cdot\textbf{A}## scalar function may give rise to longitudinal modes? Again, mathematically speaking. I am investigating features of a physical system which I think may support such modes, but am unaware of the mathematics I need to look into this.
Anyway, if anybody has any information regarding a mathematical connection between longitudinal waves and vector potentials or has a feeling they may have come across something which hints at these topics - even slightly - I would really appreciate it! Any comments of any kind would also be very welcome.
Thank you very much and hope this message has reached you in good spirits.
 
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I think that the Proca action describes a "massive EM" field. It has a longitudinal polarization and a four-vector potential. I am only barely aware of it, so won't be able to do much more than point you in that direction.
 
DaleSpam said:
I think that the Proca action describes a "massive EM" field. It has a longitudinal polarization and a four-vector potential. I am only barely aware of it, so won't be able to do much more than point you in that direction.
Thanks very much Dale, I'll look into it! Much appreciated.
 
The electric field waves in an anisotropic medium have a longitudinal component. In general, the D vector D = ε0E + P is a transverse wave, E is not.
 

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