Connection between summation and integration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the connection between summation and integration, particularly in the context of measure-theoretic integration and potential simplifications or approximations that relate the two concepts. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a connection between the infinitesimal derivative and discrete derivative, proposing a relationship between summation and integration.
  • Another participant states that both summation and integration are special cases of measure-theoretic integration, with summation relating to the counting measure and integration to the Lebesgue measure.
  • A reference to the Euler–Maclaurin formula is mentioned as a potential link between the two concepts, though one participant expresses that the formula is complicated and hopes for a simpler alternative.
  • A participant provides an approximation relating integrals to sums, indicating that while a simpler approximation exists, more complex forms can yield better accuracy.
  • There are quotes shared regarding simplicity and perfection, suggesting a philosophical perspective on the nature of mathematical expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the Euler–Maclaurin formula and the nature of approximations between summation and integration. There is no clear consensus on the existence of a simple formula that connects the two concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the complexity of the Euler–Maclaurin formula and the potential for simpler approximations, but the discussion does not resolve the limitations or assumptions inherent in these mathematical relationships.

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Readers interested in mathematical analysis, particularly those exploring the relationships between discrete and continuous mathematics, may find this discussion relevant.

Jhenrique
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If exist a connection between the infinitesimal derivative and the discrete derivative $$d = \log(\Delta + 1)$$ $$\Delta = \exp(d) - 1$$ exist too a coneection between summation ##\Sigma## and integration ##\int## ?
 
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Yep, both are special cases of measure-theoretic integration. Summation is with respect to the counting measure, regular integration is with respect to the Lebesgue measure.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Knowing jhenrique's tastes, we should also mention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler–Maclaurin_formula

Extremely complicated! I already know this article, but yet so I oponed this thread with the hope that could exist a simple formula and somebody that knew it could post it here...
 
Jhenrique said:
Extremely complicated! I already know this article, but yet so I oponed this thread with the hope that could exist a simple formula and somebody that knew it could post it here...

It's not complicated, it's just

[tex]\int_n^m f(t) dt \sim \sum_{k=n}^m f(k) - \frac{f(m) + f(n)}{2}[/tex]

If you want a better approximation, then it becomes more complicated.
 
There's an old saying (due to Einstein, I believe), "Make things as simple as possible, but no simpler."
 
"The simplicity is the most high degree of perfection."
 

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