Conservation of angular momentum of a bullet

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in a scenario where a bullet strikes a rod that is initially at rest in space. Participants explore the implications of the bullet hitting the rod at different points, particularly focusing on whether angular momentum is conserved in such collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether angular momentum is conserved when a bullet hits a rod off-center, noting that while linear momentum is conserved, the introduction of rotation complicates the situation.
  • Another participant points out that even a point mass, like the bullet, can possess angular momentum depending on the reference frame, suggesting that the total angular momentum of the system must be considered.
  • A participant mentions that the bullet has orbital angular momentum despite lacking spin angular momentum, indicating that angular momentum can exist in various forms.
  • It is noted that angular momentum conservation depends on the choice of the reference point, and that the problem is often analyzed in the center of mass frame, especially when considering impacts at different points on the rod.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conservation of angular momentum in this scenario, with no consensus reached on the implications of the bullet's impact point on the rod.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the reference frame in measuring angular momentum, and the discussion includes considerations of orbital versus spin angular momentum. There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific conditions under which angular momentum is conserved in this context.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mechanics, particularly in understanding angular momentum in collision scenarios, as well as those exploring the implications of reference frames in physics.

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I was thinking of a couple basic mechanics problems lately. What if you have a rod sitting in space at rest, and you shoot a bullet at its center. Linear momentum is conserved, and the problem is quite trivial.

Now what if the bullet hit the rod slightly off of the rod's CG? I think linear momentum is conserved so the CG velocity of the rod is the same as with the problem above. However, I think the rod should also rotate.

So my question is, is angular momentum conserved here? Initially it seems the rod and bullet have purely linear motion, so no angular momentum, but after collision there clearly would be angular momentum.

I have thought about this but can't seem to figure out where the error in my reasoning is. Can somebody show me what's going on, or at least try to give me a fresh perspective?

Thank you in advance,

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Even a point mass can have angular momentum. Suppose you fire that bullet horizontally from a gun while standing upright. That bullet has non-zero angular momentum from the perspective of a reference frame with its origin at your feet.

When you are looking at angular momentum, you have to look at the total angular momentum of the system, not just that of spinning things like your rod.
 
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The bullet has orbital angular momentum even though it has no spin angular momentum
 
Angular momentum is always conserved but it has a different value depending on where you put the origin. Even if the bullet is moving in a straight line, it still has angular momentum measured relative to a point that is displaced from the path of the bullet.

Usually you want to do this problem in the center of mass frame. If the bullet is hitting the end of the rod, the bullet flies some distance from the center of mass.
 

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