Conservation of Angular Momentum of wheel

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The discussion revolves around a conservation of angular momentum problem involving a spinning bicycle wheel. The original poster describes a scenario where they are holding onto the axle of the wheel while attempting to turn left, and they are trying to determine the direction of the force exerted on their hand by the axle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between angular momentum and the forces experienced while turning. There are attempts to logically defend potential answers (A or B) based on the direction of angular momentum and the resulting forces. Questions arise about the initial direction of angular momentum and how it changes with movement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the direction of angular momentum and the implications for the forces felt. Some guidance has been offered to encourage logical reasoning rather than guessing, and there is a focus on clarifying the underlying concepts.

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There is some confusion regarding the initial direction of angular momentum, with participants correcting each other and reflecting on their understanding. The discussion emphasizes the need for clear reasoning and logical steps in defending answers.

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1. You are walking holding on to the axle of a spinning bicycle wheel with one hand on either side of the wheel. The top part of the wheel is moving away from you and the bottom is moving toward you and the axle is horizontal. As you start to turn left, you feel
the right side of the axle

A. push on your right hand toward the left.
B. push on your right hand toward you.
C. pull on your right hand away from you.
D. push on your right hand vertically up.
E. push on your right hand vertically down.

I know this is a conservation of angular momentum problem and I believe the answer is not C because it wouldn't be pulling, it would be pushing. I also don't believe the answer is either D or E because it is not really a matter of vertical direction. To that end, I believe the answer is either A or B.

Is it A or B or neither? How do I logically defend my answer.
 
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Hi BIOPSYCH! Welcome to PF! :smile:

The https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=313" is originally left or right (which?)

If you move very slightly anticlockwise (left), then the change in angular momentum is towards you or away from you (which?) …

so which way do you need to twist the axle to produce that change? :wink:
 
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tiny-tim said:
Hi BIOPSYCH! Welcome to PF! :smile:

The https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=313" is originally left or right (which?)

If you move very slightly anticlockwise (left), then the change in angular momentum is towards you or away from you (which?) …

so which way do you need to twist the axle to produce that change? :wink:

Does that mean that the answer I should be going with is A?
 
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BIOPSYCH said:
Does that mean that the answer I should be going with is A?

No, it means that you should give logical reasons for your answer rather than making intelligent guesses. :wink:
 
So, the angular momentum is originally to the right and if it changes slightly to the left, then the change is away from me. Is this the correct rationale to defend an answer of A.
 
BIOPSYCH said:
So, the angular momentum is originally to the right and if it changes slightly to the left, then the change is away from me.

Isn't the angular momentum is originally to the left? :confused:
 
tiny-tim said:
Isn't the angular momentum is originally to the left? :confused:

Yes, it is to the left, I typed it wrong.
 
Upon closer consideration, I think the answer is B. Can someone please confirm this yes or no?
 
Hi BIOPSYCH! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
BIOPSYCH said:
… Is it A or B or neither? How do I logically defend my answer.

Yes, you wanted to be able to logically defend your answer.

But so far all you've done is make intelligent guesses which appear little more than random.

This randomness is … what's a good word? … enhanced by apparently typing "right" when you meant "left"! :rolleyes:

This is no way to practise for passing exams. :redface:
BIOPSYCH said:
Does that mean that the answer I should be going with is A?
BIOPSYCH said:
So, the angular momentum is originally to the right and if it changes slightly to the left, then the change is away from me. Is this the correct rationale to defend an answer of A.
BIOPSYCH said:
Yes, it is to the left, I typed it wrong.
BIOPSYCH said:
Upon closer consideration, I think the answer is B. Can someone please confirm this yes or no?

Now come on, it's a new day, you've had some sleep, do what you originally set out to do, and set out your answer logically, step by step, missing nothing out.

The we can check your logic, and you'll be sure that you can tackle similar problems on your own in the future. :smile:
 
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1. B -- The spinning wheel wants to continue to play on the same plane so in order for this to happen the right side would need to come towards you.

This is the best I am coming up with. Is this correct?
 
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BIOPSYCH said:
1. B -- The spinning wheel wants to continue to play on the same plane so in order for this to happen the right side would need to come towards you.

I don't understand it. :confused:
 
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Ok, so I am trying to learn this on my own. Can you explain it to me now?
 

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