Conservation of Angular Momentum - Problem understanding this scenario

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in a specific scenario involving a disk and two balls being fired from it. Participants explore the implications of angular momentum conservation when the system transitions from a state of rest to motion, particularly focusing on the effects of the balls' motion on the overall angular momentum of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that in a closed system, both linear and angular momentum are conserved, presenting a scenario where two equal mass balls are fired from a disk.
  • Another participant questions whether the angular momentum of the balls has been considered in the analysis of the system.
  • A different participant notes that an object moving in a straight line at constant velocity possesses angular momentum relative to any point not on the line of motion, emphasizing the importance of the reference point in measuring angular momentum.
  • A later reply reflects on a personal experience related to angular momentum, suggesting that the changing tangential component of linear velocity can affect angular momentum for an object in linear motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing views on the role of the balls' angular momentum and the implications of the scenario presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the system being closed and inertial, but does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the conservation laws being discussed.

jonhswon
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Hello,

As far I know, in a closed system both, linear and angular monentums, are conserved.

İmagine such a scenario: everything is motionless, both momentums zero initially, then from a disk are fired (compressed spring push) two equal mass balls at same speed but opposite direction. Now balls fly away and disk is spinning. Linear momentum after firing is still zero, but angular momentum is not? What is happening?

(All usual assumptions in place, inertial reference, massless springs, etc..)

Thnaks in advance.

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jonhswon said:
angular momentum is not
Have you taken into account the angular momentum of the balls?
 
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... an object moving in a straight line at constant velocity has angular momentum about any point not on the line of motion.

Note also that angular momentum is always measured relative to some point.
 
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OMG I was so blind. Thanks a lot !
 
I first had this discussion the other way round when a classmate at university lobbed a shoe at the door to shut it. It's quite neat how the changing tangential component of linear velocity cancels with the changing radial distance to produce a constant angular momentum for an object in linear motion.
 
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