Conservation of mass-energy in time travel

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The discussion centers on the objections to using traversable wormholes as time machines, particularly focusing on the conservation of mass-energy. Kip Thorne's work highlights that radiation could potentially time travel and accumulate, threatening the stability of the wormhole. It is noted that in general relativity, global conservation of energy is not guaranteed unless specific conditions are met in spacetime. In flat spacetime, energy conservation follows from the equations of motion being independent of absolute time, as explained by Noether's theorem. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of the complexities surrounding closed time-like curves and the limitations of energy conservation in non-flat spacetimes.
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In Kip Thorne’s “Black Holes and Time Machines”, he outlines objections to using traversable wormholes, if they existed, as time machines, the main one being (roughly) that radiation could also time travel, and mount up to destroy the wormhole. But isn’t another objection the conservation of mass-energy? A photon could go back in time to meet itself from the past, suddenly giving two photons where there was only one.
 
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nomadreid said:
But isn’t another objection the conservation of mass-energy?
There is no such thing as global conservation of energy in general relativity unless special requirements are put on the space-time.
 
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Orodruin said:
There is no such thing as global conservation of energy in general relativity unless special requirements are put on the space-time.

Indeed!
In flat spacetime, energy is conserved as a consequence of the equations of objects' motion not depending on any absolute time, but only on relative times. This is one consequence of what's known as Noether's theorem.

If the spacetime is not flat, then there is no longer this time-translation symmetry, and energy need not be conserved.
 
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Thanks for the replies, Orodruin and jfizzix. That settles that. So I shall be content with the other objections to closed time-like curves (aka time machines).
 
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