Conservation of Work and Energy

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The discussion revolves around the application of conservation of work and energy principles in a physics problem involving motion under gravity. Participants are examining the equations related to the velocities just before and just after an impact, specifically questioning the assumptions made in deriving these equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the derivation of the velocity equation just after impact and are questioning the assumptions regarding initial velocities. There is a focus on the application of energy conservation principles and the conditions under which they are applied.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the equations used and questioning the assumptions made about initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of motion equations under constant acceleration, but there is no explicit consensus on the assumptions being debated.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific heights and velocities in the problem, with participants noting the importance of understanding the initial conditions and the energy states before and after the impact. The discussion highlights potential gaps in the provided information and the need for clarity on certain assumptions.

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Homework Statement


Hello, I am having trouble understanding the logic behind the solution to the posted problem. How did they deduce the equation for "Just after impact" ? I don't see how
$$v_y = \sqrt{2g(0.6)}$$

What assumptions did they make or how did they get this simplified equation?

I understand how they got the formula for "Just before impact"

In the y direction:
$$mg(1.6)+0.5m(0)^2 = mg(0)+0.5mv_f^2$$
$$v = \sqrt{2g(1.6)}$$

But I don't see how they applied this formula for "just after impact"

Any guidance is really appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

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They are applying the formula for motion under constant acceleration because there is a resultant force acting on the plate. It is actually v2=u2+2as
 
So what happened to u2 ? Why is it assumed to be 0 here?
 
sakonpure6 said:

Homework Statement


Hello, I am having trouble understanding the logic behind the solution to the posted problem. How did they deduce the equation for "Just after impact" ? I don't see how
$$v_y = \sqrt{2g(0.6)}$$I understand how they got the formula for "Just before impact"

In the y direction:
$$mg(1.6)+0.5m(0)^2 = mg(0)+0.5mv_f^2$$
$$v = \sqrt{2g(1.6)}$$

Apply the same logic for the energy of the system after collision.
 
u is not assumed to be 0. Look back at the previous diagram and u will know why =)
 
sakonpure6 said:
I understand how they got the formula for "Just before impact"

In the y direction:
$$mg(1.6)+0.5m(0)^2 = mg(0)+0.5mv_f^2$$
$$v = \sqrt{2g(1.6)}$$

But I don't see how they applied this formula for "just after impact"
Use the same equation for conservation of energy mgh+0.5mvy2=constant, but with initial height 0 and velocity unknown and final velocity zero at height 0.6 m.
 

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