Conservative vector field problem

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The discussion centers on determining the values of the parameter α for which the vector field F(x,y) is conservative. The user calculated that α = 4, indicating that the field is conservative. However, while attempting to find the potential function, they encountered an inconsistency suggesting that g(x) should only depend on x, leading to confusion about the validity of their findings. The user questions whether their approach is correct, particularly regarding the application of Schwarz's theorem due to the non-simply connected domain. The conversation highlights the complexities in confirming the conservativeness of vector fields and finding potential functions.
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Homework Statement


Determine for which real values of the parameter ##\alpha## the vector field given by
##F(x,y) = (\frac{2xy}{y-\alpha}, 2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2})##
is conservative. For those values of ##\alpha##, calculate the work done along the curve of polar equation:
##\rho = \frac{\theta}{\pi}##

Homework Equations


If F is a conservative vector field, then:
##rotF=0##
we can find a potential function ##\phi s.t. \ F=\nabla\phi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


To find the parameter, I calculated the derivative of the first component of the field with respect to y and set it equal to the derivative of the second component with respect to x to show that the vector field is irrotational (I don't know if I can do that since the domain of the field is not simply connected and so schwarz' theorem for second derivatives doesn't apply). Either way, I found the plausible result that ##\alpha = 4##.
Since the vector field is conservative, I tried to find the potential function by integrating the second component ##2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2}## with respect to y.
This gives ##\phi(x,y) = 2y + \frac{4x^2}{y-4} + g(x)##
By deriving it with respect to x and equating it with the first component of the field, I got ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## which leads to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
This makes no sense because g(x) should be a function of x only and since I've proven that the field is conservative for that value of ##\alpha##, I should be able to find a potential function. Am I wrong?
 
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Gianmarco said:

Homework Statement


Determine for which real values of the parameter ##\alpha## the vector field given by
##F(x,y) = (\frac{2xy}{y-\alpha}, 2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2})##
is conservative. For those values of ##\alpha##, calculate the work done along the curve of polar equation:
##\rho = \frac{\theta}{\pi}##

Homework Equations


If F is a conservative vector field, then:
##rotF=0##
we can find a potential function ##\phi s.t. \ F=\nabla\phi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


To find the parameter, I calculated the derivative of the first component of the field with respect to y and set it equal to the derivative of the second component with respect to x to show that the vector field is irrotational (I don't know if I can do that since the domain of the field is not simply connected and so schwarz' theorem for second derivatives doesn't apply). Either way, I found the plausible result that ##\alpha = 4##.
Since the vector field is conservative, I tried to find the potential function by integrating the second component ##2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2}## with respect to y.
This gives ##\phi(x,y) = 2y + \frac{4x^2}{y-4} + g(x)##
By deriving it with respect to x and equating it with the first component of the field, I got ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## which leads to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
This makes no sense because g(x) should be a function of x only and since I've proven that the field is conservative for that value of ##\alpha##, I should be able to find a potential function. Am I wrong?
Error in the very last step: ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## doesn't lead to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
 
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Samy_A said:
Error in the very last step: ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## doesn't lead to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
Thank you.
 
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