Conservative vector field problem

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Homework Statement


Determine for which real values of the parameter ##\alpha## the vector field given by
##F(x,y) = (\frac{2xy}{y-\alpha}, 2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2})##
is conservative. For those values of ##\alpha##, calculate the work done along the curve of polar equation:
##\rho = \frac{\theta}{\pi}##

Homework Equations


If F is a conservative vector field, then:
##rotF=0##
we can find a potential function ##\phi s.t. \ F=\nabla\phi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


To find the parameter, I calculated the derivative of the first component of the field with respect to y and set it equal to the derivative of the second component with respect to x to show that the vector field is irrotational (I don't know if I can do that since the domain of the field is not simply connected and so schwarz' theorem for second derivatives doesn't apply). Either way, I found the plausible result that ##\alpha = 4##.
Since the vector field is conservative, I tried to find the potential function by integrating the second component ##2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2}## with respect to y.
This gives ##\phi(x,y) = 2y + \frac{4x^2}{y-4} + g(x)##
By deriving it with respect to x and equating it with the first component of the field, I got ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## which leads to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
This makes no sense because g(x) should be a function of x only and since I've proven that the field is conservative for that value of ##\alpha##, I should be able to find a potential function. Am I wrong?
 
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Gianmarco said:

Homework Statement


Determine for which real values of the parameter ##\alpha## the vector field given by
##F(x,y) = (\frac{2xy}{y-\alpha}, 2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2})##
is conservative. For those values of ##\alpha##, calculate the work done along the curve of polar equation:
##\rho = \frac{\theta}{\pi}##

Homework Equations


If F is a conservative vector field, then:
##rotF=0##
we can find a potential function ##\phi s.t. \ F=\nabla\phi ##

The Attempt at a Solution


To find the parameter, I calculated the derivative of the first component of the field with respect to y and set it equal to the derivative of the second component with respect to x to show that the vector field is irrotational (I don't know if I can do that since the domain of the field is not simply connected and so schwarz' theorem for second derivatives doesn't apply). Either way, I found the plausible result that ##\alpha = 4##.
Since the vector field is conservative, I tried to find the potential function by integrating the second component ##2 - \frac{4x^2}{(y-\alpha)^2}## with respect to y.
This gives ##\phi(x,y) = 2y + \frac{4x^2}{y-4} + g(x)##
By deriving it with respect to x and equating it with the first component of the field, I got ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## which leads to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
This makes no sense because g(x) should be a function of x only and since I've proven that the field is conservative for that value of ##\alpha##, I should be able to find a potential function. Am I wrong?
Error in the very last step: ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## doesn't lead to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
 
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Samy_A said:
Error in the very last step: ##\frac{8x}{y-4} + g'(x) = \frac{2xy}{y-4}## doesn't lead to ##g'(x) = \frac{2xy+8}{y-4}##.
Thank you.