Constructing a Monotone Sequence in a Bounded Subset of Real Numbers

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a strictly monotone sequence within a bounded subset of real numbers, specifically focusing on whether such a sequence can converge to the supremum of the set.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the construction of a monotone sequence from a bounded set, questioning the nature of the set E and its potential finiteness or infiniteness. There are attempts to define a sequence that approaches the supremum through iterative selection based on decreasing epsilon values.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various perspectives on the problem, with some participants suggesting methods for constructing the sequence while others raise questions about the assumptions regarding the set E. There is an ongoing exploration of different scenarios, such as finite versus infinite sets.

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Participants note the importance of the boundedness and the nature of the set E, with some expressing uncertainty about how to proceed if E is finite. There are also mentions of specific sequences and their properties, indicating a mix of related but distinct questions within the thread.

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Homework Statement


Let E be nonempty subset of R which is bounded above (thus, a = sup E exists)
Does there exist a strictly monotone sequence in E which converges to a?


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I've been thinking about just taking a monotone bounded (this must be true by condition of E) sequence of rationals in E(an interval on the real line) which converges to the supremum (endpoint of the interval). I'm not sure how to formally construct this.
 
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Is E really an interval on the real line? I don't think so. Otherwise it's too easy. If you know nothing about E, then what do you do if E is finite? If E is infinite then just pick any element of E to start the sequence. How can you pick the next element?
 
anybody can help me ??
how to solve this problem;

show dat the sequence xn = (n-10)/(n+10) is both bounded & monotone
 
Let [tex]a[/tex] denote the sup.

As has been arleady noted, if the set [tex]A[/tex] is finite it is easy. Suppose [tex]A[/tex] is not finite.
Choose

[tex] \epsilon_1 = 1[/tex]

Then there is an [tex]x_1 \in A[/tex] such that

[tex] |x_1 - a| < \epsilon_1[/tex]

Now let [tex]\epsilon_2 = 1/2[/tex]

There is an [tex]x_2 \in A[/tex] such that

[tex] |x_2 - a| < \epsilon_2[/tex]

Continue this process with [tex]\epsilon_3, \epsilon_4, \dots[/tex] to generate a sequence
[tex]\{x_i\}_{i=1}^\infty[/tex]. This is the sequence you need.
 
eye_naa87 said:
anybody can help me ??
how to solve this problem;

show dat the sequence xn = (n-10)/(n+10) is both bounded & monotone

Write it as 1-20/(n+10). Next time start a new thread if you have a new question.
 

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