Continuity of multivariable function

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of multivariable functions, specifically examining the statement that a function \( f: A \subset \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^m \) is continuous if and only if its component functions \( f_1, \ldots, f_m: A \to \mathbb{R} \) are continuous. Participants are exploring both directions of this implication and discussing the definitions and properties of continuity in this context.

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  • Participants are questioning the definitions of continuity and the implications of continuity for component functions. There is a discussion about the notation used for subsets and the nature of limits in multivariable contexts. Some participants suggest starting with the "if" part of the proof, while others consider the implications of continuity in terms of limits and distances between vectors.

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Several participants have provided insights and suggestions for approaching the problem, including clarifying the definitions and exploring the implications of continuity. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in piecing together the necessary arguments, and some participants are actively working on structuring their proofs.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the notation and the definitions of continuity, as well as the relationship between different metrics in \( \mathbb{R}^n \). There is also mention of the need to clarify whether the question intends for the use of concepts from metric spaces.

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Hi, I'm having trouble with the following question. I would like some help with it.

Q. A function [itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is continuous if and only if its component functions [itex]f_1 ,...,f_m :A \to R[/itex] are continuous.

Firstly, is there a difference between [itex]C \subset D[/itex] and [itex]C \subseteq D[/itex]? Anyway in this question I need to do both directions.

The definition I have of continuity is:

[itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is continuous at [itex]\mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to \in A[/itex] if

[tex]\mathop {\lim }\limits_{\mathop x\limits^ \to \to \mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } f\left( {\mathop x\limits^ \to } \right) = f\left( {\mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } \right)[/tex]

Alternatively: given [itex]\varepsilon > 0[/itex], there exists [itex]\delta > 0[/itex] such that

[tex]\left\| {f\left( {\mathop x\limits^ \to } \right) - f\left( {\mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } \right)} \right\| < \varepsilon[/tex]

[tex]\forall x \in A[/tex] satisfying [itex]\left\| {\mathop x\limits^ \to - \mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } \right\| < \delta[/itex].

(yes, it does say x is an element of A where x is just the normal scalar variable - I would've thought that x would be a vector in R^n in this case)

I'm not really sure where I should start. If I was to begin with f being continuous then I could write an equation saying that the limit as an arbitrary n-vector (call it (x_1,..,x_n)) approaches a fixed n-vector (call it (b_1,...,b_n)), is equal to f applied to the fixed n-vector. To show one side of the implication I would need to deduce that

[tex]\mathop {\lim }\limits_{x_i \to b_i } f\left( {x_i } \right) = f\left( {b_i } \right)[/tex] for each i = 1,...,n.

It just seems so immediate that continuity of f automatically leads to continuity of its components and vice versa. Is this just a matter of writing down a few equations or is it more complicated? Any help would be good thanks.
 
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Benny said:
Hi, I'm having trouble with the following question. I would like some help with it.

Q. A function [itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is continuous if and only if its component functions [itex]f_1 ,...,f_m :A \to R[/itex] are continuous.

Firstly, is there a difference between [itex]C \subset D[/itex] and [itex]C \subseteq D[/itex]? Anyway in this question I need to do both directions.

The definition I have of continuity is:

[itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is continuous at [itex]\mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to \in A[/itex] if

[tex]\mathop {\lim }\limits_{\mathop x\limits^ \to \to \mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } f\left( {\mathop x\limits^ \to } \right) = f\left( {\mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } \right)[/tex]

Alternatively: given [itex]\varepsilon > 0[/itex], there exists [itex]\delta > 0[/itex] such that

[tex]\left\| {f\left( {\mathop x\limits^ \to } \right) - f\left( {\mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } \right)} \right\| < \varepsilon[/tex]

[tex]\forall x \in A[/tex] satisfying [itex]\left\| {\mathop x\limits^ \to - \mathop {x_0 }\limits^ \to } \right\| < \delta[/itex].

(yes, it does say x is an element of A where x is just the normal scalar variable - I would've thought that x would be a vector in R^n in this case)

I'm not really sure where I should start. If I was to begin with f being continuous then I could write an equation saying that the limit as an arbitrary n-vector (call it (x_1,..,x_n)) approaches a fixed n-vector (call it (b_1,...,b_n)), is equal to f applied to the fixed n-vector. To show one side of the implication I would need to deduce that

[tex]\mathop {\lim }\limits_{x_i \to b_i } f\left( {x_i } \right) = f\left( {b_i } \right)[/tex] for each i = 1,...,n.

It just seems so immediate that continuity of f automatically leads to continuity of its components and vice versa. Is this just a matter of writing down a few equations or is it more complicated? Any help would be good thanks.

Firstly, the notation, and, in particular the vector stuff: the usual conventions are [tex]\vec{x}:=\left( x_1,\ldots ,x_n\right) \in\mathbb{R} ^n[/tex] and [tex]x:=\left( x_1,\ldots ,x_n\right) \in\mathbb{R} ^n[/tex]. Either way is used in various texts.

Your question:

Q. A function [itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is continuous if and only if its component functions [itex]f_1 ,...,f_m :A \to R[/itex] are continuous.

So your proof is two-fold: i. Prove the "if" part (a.k.a. sufficiency); ii. Prove the "only if" part (a.k.a. necessity).
 
There a difference between [itex]C \subset D[/itex] and [itex]C \subseteq D[/itex], depending on the author's/text's convention, one is inclusive that is allows C=D, and the other is strict and hence does not admit C=D.
 
The plan

If the "if" part: Assume that the component functions [itex]f_1 ,...,f_m :A \to R[/itex] are continuous. Prove that [itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is then continuous.


If the "only if" part: Assume that [itex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/itex] is continuous. Prove that the component functions [itex]f_1 ,...,f_m :A \to R[/itex] are then continuous.
 
One fact that might simplify your calculations:
In any Rn,
[tex]d(x,y)= \sqrt{(x_1-y_1)^2+ (x_2-y_2)^2+ ...+ (x_n-y_n)^2}[/tex]
and
[tex]d(x,y)= max (|x_1-y_1|, |x_2-y_2|, ..., |x_n-y_n|)[/tex]
are equivalent metrics. That is, they give exactly the same open sets, continuity, etc. The second one makes looking at individual components easy.
 
Thanks for the suggestions.

I haven't done anything on metric spaces but I assume that the concepts referred to are fundamental ones. If that's the case then I guess I can just look up some definitions. I'm not sure if the question intended the use of those things but it doesn't really matter.

I'm just having trouble piecing together what exactly I need to show. As I said in my initial post, I know that one definition of continuity is to have the limit of f(x) as x -> a being equal to f(a). That seems to be the easier of the two (that one and the one involving epsilons) to use in this case. But I'm not sure what to do. I guess I could write:

[tex]f:A \subset R^n \to R^m[/tex]

[tex] f\left( {x_1 ,...,x_n } \right) = \left( {f_1 ,...,f_m } \right)[/tex]

where by definition of f

[tex]\mathop {\lim }\limits_{\left( {x_1 ,...,x_n } \right) \to \left( {b_1 ,...,b_n } \right)} f\left( {x_1 ,...,x_n } \right) = f\left( {b_1 ,...,b_n } \right) = \left( {c_1 ,...,c_m } \right)[/tex]

What does that tell me though?

I'm having immense trouble seeing through the symbols and figuring out what I need to do.
 
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Bear in mind we're dealing with this horrible mess:

f(x_1,...,x_n) = (f_1(x_1,...x_n),...,f_m(x_1,...,x_n))

Right. What is the distance between two vectors, forgetting the f for a while?

The distance between u=(u_1,..,u_m) and v=(v_1,...v_m) is

[tex]\sqrt{(u_1-v_1)^2 + \ldots +(u_m-v_m)^2[/tex]Now the statement u converges to v in this distance sense is if and only if this big square root tends to zero, which is if and only if u_i converges to v_i for all i, right?

If v is f(x) and u is f(a sequence tending to x), then convergence of the whole is iff convergence of the components is iff...
 
It might be easiest to tackle first the "if f is cont, then each [itex]f_{m}[/itex] is cont."-statement.

Try to show that the following inequality must hold:
For any m, we have: [tex]|f_{m}|\leq||f||[/tex]
Try to construct a proof using this insight.
 
Thanks for the help guys. I'll try again and see if I can get something out.
 

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