Continuous Function Homework: Showing Proof

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the continuity of a function, particularly at the point (0,0). Participants are examining the definition of continuity and the behavior of the function as it approaches this point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to show that the limit of the function as (x,y) approaches (0,0) equals the function's value at that point. There are inquiries about the meaning of certain symbols in the function's expression and suggestions to simplify the expression for analysis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using polar coordinates to analyze the limit, while others express uncertainty about simplification methods. There is an acknowledgment of potential issues in proving continuity based on the limit behavior observed.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the function's definition and its behavior near the critical point, with some questioning the clarity of the function's expression and its implications for continuity.

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How can I show that this is a Continuous function?


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First, it is clearly continuous everywhere except possibly (0,0). I presume you have no trouble with that. In order to show that it is also continuous at (0,0), use the definition of continuous: that [itex]\lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)} f(x,y)= f(0,0)[/itex]. Now, what does that vertical line in the formula mean? You appear to have
[tex]\frac{x^2 y^2}{x^2y^2|(x-y)^2}[/tex]
I don't understand that "|".
 
HallsofIvy said:
First, it is clearly continuous everywhere except possibly (0,0). I presume you have no trouble with that. In order to show that it is also continuous at (0,0), use the definition of continuous: that [itex]\lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)} f(x,y)= f(0,0)[/itex]. Now, what does that vertical line in the formula mean? You appear to have
[tex]\frac{x^2 y^2}{x^2y^2|(x-y)^2}[/tex]
I don't understand that "|".

Where do u see a vertical line? it's a plus sign :smile:
I know that I need to show that [itex]\lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)} f(x,y)= f(0,0)[/itex], any idea about how to show it?
 
asi123 said:
I know that I need to show that [itex]\lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)} f(x,y)= f(0,0)[/itex], any idea about how to show it?
Have you tried simplifying the expression for f(x,y) when (x,y)[itex]\neq[/itex](0,0)?
 
morphism said:
Have you tried simplifying the expression for f(x,y) when (x,y)[itex]\neq[/itex](0,0)?

What do you mean by simplify?
 
Okay, so you need to show that the limit, as (x,y) goes to (0,0) of
[tex]\frac{x^2y^2}{x^2y^2+ (x- y)^2}[/tex]
is 1, the value of the function at (0,0).

There doesn't seem to me to be any good way to simplify that (multiplying out, reducing the fraction, etc. just like you did in algebra)

The best way to find the limit of a function of two variables, going to (0,0) is to change to polar coordinates. That way a single variable, r, measures the distance from (0,0). In polar coordinates, [itex]x= rcos(\theta)[/itex] and y= [itex]rsin(\theta)[/itex] so [itex]x^2y^2= r^4 sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)[/itex] and [itex](x- y)^2= (rcos(\theta)- rsin(\theta))^2= r^2(cos(\theta)- sin(\theta))^2[/itex]. The function, in polar coordinates, is
[tex]\frac{r^4 sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)}{r^2(sin^2(r^2theta)cos^2(\theta)sin^2(\theta)+ (cos(\theta)-sin(\theta))^2}= r^2\left[\frac{sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)}{r^2sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)+ (cos(\theta)- sin(\theta)^2}\right][/tex]
and now the point is that because of that "r2" factored out, as r goes to 0, the whole thing goes to 0 no matter what [itex]\theta[/itex] is.

Now, that does cause a serious problem as far as showing that this function is continuous is concerned!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Okay, so you need to show that the limit, as (x,y) goes to (0,0) of
[tex]\frac{x^2y^2}{x^2y^2+ (x- y)^2}[/tex]
is 1, the value of the function at (0,0).

There doesn't seem to me to be any good way to simplify that (multiplying out, reducing the fraction, etc. just like you did in algebra)

The best way to find the limit of a function of two variables, going to (0,0) is to change to polar coordinates. That way a single variable, r, measures the distance from (0,0). In polar coordinates, [itex]x= rcos(\theta)[/itex] and y= [itex]rsin(\theta)[/itex] so [itex]x^2y^2= r^4 sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)[/itex] and [itex](x- y)^2= (rcos(\theta)- rsin(\theta))^2= r^2(cos(\theta)- sin(\theta))^2[/itex]. The function, in polar coordinates, is
[tex]\frac{r^4 sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)}{r^2(sin^2(r^2theta)cos^2(\theta)sin^2(\theta)+ (cos(\theta)-sin(\theta))^2}= r^2\left[\frac{sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)}{r^2sin^2(\theta)cos^2(\theta)+ (cos(\theta)- sin(\theta)^2}\right][/tex]
and now the point is that because of that "r2" factored out, as r goes to 0, the whole thing goes to 0 no matter what [itex]\theta[/itex] is.

Now, that does cause a serious problem as far as showing that this function is continuous is concerned!

Got ya, 10x.
 

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